If we go 0-5 in October, should the A.D. and coaching staff be flushed so we can get a jump on any good coaches that become available in Nov. & Dec.?

[MoneyBall]

I'd put the odds at 65% (at this point), that we go 0-5 in October. If we do, I say fire everyone and make a $5 million offer to the first Big-Name, PROVEN WINNER who is in his PRIME, who becomes available. (and it goes without saying at this point, that this coach would have to be a fit for Big 10 football).

IF we file em all... we need to start with Harvey Pearlman; under his watch the program/school has taken some major hits. He is the one who keeps hiring bad AD's (except Tom who he hired to fix the Callahan mess, problem is Tom probably wont come back to an even worse Riley mess) and lets not forget NU got kicked out of a prestigious academic program on his watch. we're the only Big Ten School not a member. in fact, that membership was a requirement to join the big ten.

here is the really big problem, who would take the NU gig knowing we regularly fire winning coaches? Bo's behavior aside, he was 9-3 for 7 years. most of us would take that in a minute.

Agreed.

This isn't directed at you, Moneyball, but to others - it's Perlman. Not Pearlman.

Second, for as much heat as we'd all like to throw on Perlman, he's actually done a lot of great things for the university as Chancellor. Trying to paint him as a burden on the university grossly misrepresents the job he has done. I'm not saying that to excuse some of his flubs with the football program, but, to illustrate that he's done plenty of positive things to go with the bad.

Third, I get sick and tired of people saying 'who would take the NU job' knowing we regularly fire coaches? Well, a lot of people would still take the job. Coaches understand the nature of the business and they understand the expectations associated with being a head coach at these programs. Furthermore, a lot of other coaches would understand the firing of any coach here if they were no better than .500. That doesn't fly at Nebraska and people get that.

I'm also somewhat shocked people keep excluding Bo's behavior and suggesting he would otherwise be the head coach here. His behavior certainly didn't help, but do some of us really have that short term of memory? Some Pelini coached teams hold a significant amount of the worst defensive performances this program has ever seen. He never won a conference title in 7 years as head coach, his teams routinely melted down in big games and - despite being here 7 years - was never able to build a consistent strength along the offensive/defensive lines and his teams were turnover prone.

Bo may have won nine games a year, and that's not an easy task. And while his behavior was a big part of his firing, don't forget that as a team we were pretty much treading water for 7 seasons. All these factors considered - it was time to head a new direction.

Looks like it's that time again.

 

[Enhance]

Looks like it's that time again.

The chances of Riley or Eichorst being fired by the end of the season are minimal and you should probably accept and understand that.

 

[LSLHusker]

Here's some history on other programs who have gone through some hard times.

Oklahoma: 1989-1999 (11 years) 4 coaches; 3 losing seasons; 2 .500 seasons; Bob Stoops first year 7-5

Alabama: 1997-2007 (11 years) 4 coaches; 4 losing seasons; 1 .500 seasons; Nick Saban first year 9-6

So Cal: 1990-2001 (12 years) 4 coaches; 2 losing seasons; 3 .500 seasons; Pete Carroll first year 6-6

Notre Dame: 1997-2010 (14 years); 4 coaches; 4 losing seasons; 2 .500 seasons; Brian Kelly first year 8-5

Michigan State: 1991-2010 ( 20 years) 5 coaches; 9 losing seasons (0-11 in 1994); 3 .500 seasons; Mark Dantonio first year 7-6

Nebraska: 2002-2014 (13 years) 4 coaches; 2 losing seasons; 0 .500 seasons, Mike Riley first year TBD

 

[Redux]

Then what the hell is your point?

That based on Riley's "credentials", this train wreck could be seen coming a mile away.
Or from however many miles it is from Corvallis to Lincoln.

Oh, so the exact same thing you have been preaching since December. Don't worry, if you stop telling us, we won't forget you predicted Riley would suck. If he ends up sucking and getting fired we will hoist you up Bar Mitzvah style. If he kicks a$$ next year, you may as well make a new account.

 

[junior4949]

Here's some history on other programs who have gone through some hard times.

Oklahoma: 1989-1999 (11 years) 4 coaches; 3 losing seasons; 2 .500 seasons; Bob Stoops first year 7-5

Alabama: 1997-2007 (11 years) 4 coaches; 4 losing seasons; 1 .500 seasons; Nick Saban first year 9-6

So Cal: 1990-2001 (12 years) 4 coaches; 2 losing seasons; 3 .500 seasons; Pete Carroll first year 6-6

Notre Dame: 1997-2010 (14 years); 4 coaches; 4 losing seasons; 2 .500 seasons; Brian Kelly first year 8-5

Michigan State: 1991-2010 ( 20 years) 5 coaches; 9 losing seasons (0-11 in 1994); 3 .500 seasons; Mark Dantonio first year 7-6

Nebraska: 2002-2014 (13 years) 4 coaches; 2 losing seasons; 0 .500 seasons, Mike Riley first year TBD

The only program on there that even resembles our struggles is USC from 1990-2001. Bama and OU were decimated by NCAA probation and sanctions in those years. Notre Dame fell on hard times after Holtz because the school chose not to lower their academic standards like they did under Holtz. Michigan State was never where we were.

USC is similar though especially when you consider why they went through so many coaches in that time frame. It was because of some of their alumni much like ours who were accustomed to playing for NCs. Pete Carroll really wasn't a bullseye hire either. He was more or less comparable to Clownahan. Plus, he's the reason USC endured NCAA probation and sanctions. It remains to be seen, but I highly doubt they are a top program anytime soon again.

 

[Enhance]

LSLHusker's point is valid, though. Just about every former/current powerhouse program hits serious rough patches, some due to violations and others due to coaching changes. It's almost impossible for a team to be consistently good for decade after decade after decade. Even Nebraska, who managed it for four decades, couldn't hang on.

One correction to make, though. Nick Saban went 7-6 in his first year at Alabama, not 9-6. His first season included a loss, at home, to UL Monroe. Things weren't pretty in Tuscaloosa his first season, but, they had also been a .500 team the year prior.

 

[neepster]

Here's some history on other programs who have gone through some hard times.

Oklahoma: 1989-1999 (11 years) 4 coaches; 3 losing seasons; 2 .500 seasons; Bob Stoops first year 7-5

Alabama: 1997-2007 (11 years) 4 coaches; 4 losing seasons; 1 .500 seasons; Nick Saban first year 9-6

So Cal: 1990-2001 (12 years) 4 coaches; 2 losing seasons; 3 .500 seasons; Pete Carroll first year 6-6

Notre Dame: 1997-2010 (14 years); 4 coaches; 4 losing seasons; 2 .500 seasons; Brian Kelly first year 8-5

Michigan State: 1991-2010 ( 20 years) 5 coaches; 9 losing seasons (0-11 in 1994); 3 .500 seasons; Mark Dantonio first year 7-6

Nebraska: 2002-2014 (13 years) 4 coaches; 2 losing seasons; 0 .500 seasons, Mike Riley first year TBD

Unless a miracle occurs, Nebraska will go at best 5-7 this year. Which is worse than any of the above coaches that eventually turned out well.

We will lose to Northwestern, Iowa, Michigan State and Wisconsin...

If we play like we did at Illinois we may also lose to Minnesota and Rutgers...

 

[MoneyBall]

Here's some history on other programs who have gone through some hard times.

Oklahoma: 1989-1999 (11 years) 4 coaches; 3 losing seasons; 2 .500 seasons; Bob Stoops first year 7-5

Alabama: 1997-2007 (11 years) 4 coaches; 4 losing seasons; 1 .500 seasons; Nick Saban first year 9-6

So Cal: 1990-2001 (12 years) 4 coaches; 2 losing seasons; 3 .500 seasons; Pete Carroll first year 6-6

Notre Dame: 1997-2010 (14 years); 4 coaches; 4 losing seasons; 2 .500 seasons; Brian Kelly first year 8-5

Michigan State: 1991-2010 ( 20 years) 5 coaches; 9 losing seasons (0-11 in 1994); 3 .500 seasons; Mark Dantonio first year 7-6

Nebraska: 2002-2014 (13 years) 4 coaches; 2 losing seasons; 0 .500 seasons, Mike Riley first year TBD

Unless a miracle occurs, Nebraska will go at best 5-7 this year. Which is worse than any of the above coaches that eventually turned out well.

We will lose to Northwestern, Iowa, Michigan State and Wisconsin...

If we play like we did at Illinois we may also lose to Minnesota and Rutgers...

Don't forget Purdue. There are no guaranteed wins this year.

 

[neepster]

Here's some history on other programs who have gone through some hard times.

Oklahoma: 1989-1999 (11 years) 4 coaches; 3 losing seasons; 2 .500 seasons; Bob Stoops first year 7-5

Alabama: 1997-2007 (11 years) 4 coaches; 4 losing seasons; 1 .500 seasons; Nick Saban first year 9-6

So Cal: 1990-2001 (12 years) 4 coaches; 2 losing seasons; 3 .500 seasons; Pete Carroll first year 6-6

Notre Dame: 1997-2010 (14 years); 4 coaches; 4 losing seasons; 2 .500 seasons; Brian Kelly first year 8-5

Michigan State: 1991-2010 ( 20 years) 5 coaches; 9 losing seasons (0-11 in 1994); 3 .500 seasons; Mark Dantonio first year 7-6

Nebraska: 2002-2014 (13 years) 4 coaches; 2 losing seasons; 0 .500 seasons, Mike Riley first year TBD

Unless a miracle occurs, Nebraska will go at best 5-7 this year. Which is worse than any of the above coaches that eventually turned out well.

We will lose to Northwestern, Iowa, Michigan State and Wisconsin...

If we play like we did at Illinois we may also lose to Minnesota and Rutgers...

Don't forget Purdue. There are no guaranteed wins this year.

Sadly I was just thinking that....

Purdue actually had a great game against Mich State.... if they show up like that against us we will likely lose...

 

[Redux]

We will beat Purdue, Rutgers and Minnesota this year. Between NW, Wisconsin and Iowa we win one of three, lets say Iowa. We will not beat MSU.

So, yippe, 6-6 if that pans out. Nothing to write home about.

Heres the thing, I'm super peeved about Riley's mismanagement of 4 of our games so far. I am truly hoping Illinois was a wake up call for him. When our offense is clicking, it's hard to stop. So if they can get on the same page with eachother and the staff we can win games as long as the defense plays a little bend but don't break.

If we can finish 7-5 this year I will be "happy", I just don't know if we are at that stage of chemistry to finish out like that. Wisconsin will tell us how the second half of the season is gonna go.

 

[pigskin barnyard mcgiggles]

IMO. Nebraska is Alabama back in the late 90's early 2000's. They went thru some horrible coaches till the stumbled on Saban.

Gene Stallings

Mike DuBose

Dennis Franchione

Mike Shula.

Thats whos who of crap coaches.

Nebraska coaches

Callahan

Pelini

Riley

Maybe there light at end of longest tunnel in Nebraska.

 

[pigskin barnyard mcgiggles]

We will beat Purdue, Rutgers and Minnesota this year. Between NW, Wisconsin and Iowa we win one of three, lets say Iowa. We will not beat MSU.

So, yippe, 6-6 if that pans out. Nothing to write home about.

Heres the thing, I'm super peeved about Riley's mismanagement of 4 of our games so far. I am truly hoping Illinois was a wake up call for him. When our offense is clicking, it's hard to stop. So if they can get on the same page with eachother and the staff we can win games as long as the defense plays a little bend but don't break.

If we can finish 7-5 this year I will be "happy", I just don't know if we are at that stage of chemistry to finish out like that. Wisconsin will tell us how the second half of the season is gonna go.

Purdue just scared MSU and to be honest I see 2 more wins and that's it at the current pace. Rutgers and one other maybe Iowa. We are a horrible road team. At least we get better teams at home. Wisky NW and MSU.

 

[pigskin barnyard mcgiggles]

Here's some history on other programs who have gone through some hard times.

Oklahoma: 1989-1999 (11 years) 4 coaches; 3 losing seasons; 2 .500 seasons; Bob Stoops first year 7-5

Alabama: 1997-2007 (11 years) 4 coaches; 4 losing seasons; 1 .500 seasons; Nick Saban first year 9-6

So Cal: 1990-2001 (12 years) 4 coaches; 2 losing seasons; 3 .500 seasons; Pete Carroll first year 6-6

Notre Dame: 1997-2010 (14 years); 4 coaches; 4 losing seasons; 2 .500 seasons; Brian Kelly first year 8-5

Michigan State: 1991-2010 ( 20 years) 5 coaches; 9 losing seasons (0-11 in 1994); 3 .500 seasons; Mark Dantonio first year 7-6

Nebraska: 2002-2014 (13 years) 4 coaches; 2 losing seasons; 0 .500 seasons, Mike Riley first year TBD

The only program on there that even resembles our struggles is USC from 1990-2001. Bama and OU were decimated by NCAA probation and sanctions in those years. Notre Dame fell on hard times after Holtz because the school chose not to lower their academic standards like they did under Holtz. Michigan State was never where we were.

USC is similar though especially when you consider why they went through so many coaches in that time frame. It was because of some of their alumni much like ours who were accustomed to playing for NCs. Pete Carroll really wasn't a bullseye hire either. He was more or less comparable to Clownahan. Plus, he's the reason USC endured NCAA probation and sanctions. It remains to be seen, but I highly doubt they are a top program anytime soon again.

Bama sanctions where nothing but a slap on the wrist.

 

[brophog]

1-4 Purdue coming back from a partially self imposed 21-0 deficit against overrated Sparty doesn't mean they still aren't 1-4 Purdue.

 

[Blackshirt_Revival]

1-4 Purdue coming back from a partially self imposed 21-0 deficit against overrated Sparty doesn't mean they still aren't 1-4 Purdue.

We are in absolutely no position to be marginalizing any of our future opponents this year.

This is akin to a Texas fan writing off Iowa State this year "Cuz they're just Iowa State"