Immigration Ban

TGHusker said:
Justice Thomas:

Justice Clarence Thomas, joined by Justices Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch, said the government has shown it is likely to succeed on the merits of the case, and that it will suffer irreparable harm with any interference. Thomas said the government's interest in preserving national security outweighs any hardship to people denied entry into the country.

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d281c11a96b4ad082fe88aa0db04305/Article_2017-06-26-US--Supreme%20Court-Travel%20Ban/id-d5738691d91f437d820f25c234304a4a

So I'm trying to figure out the real balance between security and entry that Thomas notes in the quote above. Let's be honest - security is vitally important in todays world while at the same time our whole national identity is based on liberty to the down trodden. I'm struggling to figure out the correct balance. My concern as noted above by others is that this temporary ban gets extended to.... years in practice. While Trump used the ban as an excuse to get immigration and security issues reviewed, we should be done with that review - unless they were doing nothing the whole time this was in court. Now it will be used as a ruse to continue the practice. Yes, I don't want us to become London and Paris wt terrorist attacks happening regularly but I don't want to de-evolve into the Iron Curtain either. It was give me Liberty or Give me Death not Give me impenetrable security or death.
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To the bolded: what an absolute crock of sh#t!!!

Terrorism is not a "national security" issue any more than the guy who killed a bunch of first graders, or the guy who shot church goers in South Carolina. ISIS or any other terrorist group is not going to overthrow the United States by committing these acts, however they can and will do harm to people out in public. The same type of harm committed by a gun wielding madman. If we are willing to change our identity to preserve "national security", then maybe we ought to look into our identity about gun ownership and be okay with any "hardship" a gun purchaser may have to go through.

 
This is a sad, sad day. And the rumbles of Kennedy's pending retirement make me sick. If he could just hang on for two more years ...

 
F'n hell. Pretty sure I read an article on this guy post-November/Jan prior to his deportation. Horrifying to see this unfold. So avoidable.

What did anyone gain by this?

 
zoogs said:
F'n hell. Pretty sure I read an article on this guy post-November/Jan prior to his deportation. Horrifying to see this unfold. So avoidable.

What did anyone gain by this?
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I'd be willing to hear out someone who wanted tougher immigration laws if they stated a reasonable case.

Trump has not done that. He's simply said he has to do it to keep us safe with no explanation how it does so. I have a hard time accepting what he, Bannon, Steve King etc. have to say about immigration because they just take a hardline policy stance and apply it in a blanket fashion. It's simply an empty appeal to the xenophobic and racist portions of their base, IMO.

 
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I'm doing something at my job where I compare a bunch of industries, and ethnicity is just one of many variables. Doctors are more likely than any of the other jobs I'm looking at to have Middle Easterners, and the least likely to be Caucasian. (That doesn't mean there are low numbers of Caucasians - just when compared to others, it's lower).

The other thing which I believe I sort of brought up earlier in this thread is in order for illegal immigrants to get jobs, someone has to hire them. Republicans are ignoring that part because they want to be seen as the pro free market/business/anti-regulation party.

And while I'm throwing stuff out there, about half the students I had classes with when getting my M.S. degree were either African, Middle Eastern, Chinese, Malaysian, Indonesian. But when Americans do go for M.S. degrees, in my experience they are the ones who get the teaching assistantships. These people coming here really want to be here, and I don't think they're taking Americans' places.

 
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Here's a debunking of the relationship between immigration and crime:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/fact-check-immigration-doesnt-bring-crime-u-s-data-say/

Research has shown virtually no support for the enduring assumption that increases in immigration are associated with increases in crime.

...the literature demonstrates that immigrants commit fewer crimes, on average, than native-born Americans.

...immigration reduces levels of crime by revitalizing urban neighborhoods, creating vibrant communities and generating economic growth.
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