Immigration Ban

The terrorists. The perception of dire threats can and will be used to keep people in line.

This was not successful in that aim. The next one may be more so.

 
Here's what I think will happen, and it doesn't have a happy ending.

This is going to piss off a lot of Muslim citizens. Some of them who are now between the ages of 10 and 20 are going to want to do something about it. We might have more attacks than before, not less. If these happen while Trump is president he will say "I told you about those Muslims" and he will start trying to do things against Muslim citizens.

Our only hope which I don't see as much of a hope is he's not re-elected in 2020 and this sh#t gets reversed.

I feel like he's laying the ground work already, if he loses the electoral vote, to say that millions voted illegally. Maybe he'll just refuse to step down. Either that or, in the next 4 years, congress and/or the Supreme Court will make a bunch more voting laws or remove more voting protections that adversely affect populations that are more likely to vote Democrat.

For instance they could require voter IDs nationwide, then Republican state leaders could jack up ID costs, since poor people vote Democrats in higher %.

 
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Something is going to happen to "justify" this ban. Someone from one of these countries is going to shoot up a church or blow up a market. Something will hit the news in the next week or so, so TrumpBannon can show us all that they were right. It may lead to an even greater tightening of control.

This has happened before.

 
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The most tragic thing is that what knapp said is right, and it will be because of the ban.

This makes America much more dangerous, not safer. The best possible thing for our country is to welcome the Muslim, welcome the poor, welcome the refugee, welcome the downtrodden, then learn, interact, love and grow together. Want to guarantee terrorists keep trying to attack our country with unrelenting radicalism? Paint the United States as being anti-muslim. That makes their recruitment and their propaganda indoctrination that much easier. That makes our country that much more at risk. Fortunately for Trump, that also gives him the ammo he needs to justify trying to literally destroy world peace.

 
The most tragic thing is that what knapp said is right, and it will be because of the ban.

This makes America much more dangerous, not safer. The best possible thing for our country is to welcome the Muslim, welcome the poor, welcome the refugee, welcome the downtrodden, then learn, interact, love and grow together. Want to guarantee terrorists keep trying to attack our country with unrelenting radicalism? Paint the United States as being anti-muslim. That makes their recruitment and their propaganda indoctrination that much easier. That makes our country that much more at risk. Fortunately for Trump, that also gives him the ammo he needs to justify trying to literally destroy world peace.
the military-industrial complex would really hate that.

 
Agreed to all the above - this puts us at higher risk. McCain and Grahm just put out a statement that sums it up I think: "Ultimately, we fear this executive order will become a self-inflicted wound in the fight against terrorism."

 
The Onion is on point: Area Man Willing To Give Up Any Of Muslims’ Rights Necessary To Feel Safe

PITTSBURGH—Explaining how defending the population is the government’s ultimate responsibility, area man Greg Farnsworth told reporters Thursday he is willing to give up any of Muslims’ rights necessary to feel safe. “The bottom line is that we are putting innocent lives at risk if we don’t give the government more power to protect us, and if that means giving up a few constitutionally protected freedoms of Muslims in the process, so be it,” said Farnsworth, who added that, while he didn’t necessarily like the idea of the NSA monitoring phone calls or emails, he believed it was vital to accept a few violations of privacy rights among those of the Islamic faith to ensure the nation remained secure. “If last week’s attacks taught us anything, it’s that al-Qaeda is still determined to kill as many people as they can. So if we have to add more security measures at airports for Muslims or track people online who are critical of the U.S. government, provided they are Muslim, in order to keep us safe, I’m willing to make that sacrifice.” Farnsworth added that, if you really considered the lives and well-being of your family, limiting a few rights for Muslims here and there isn’t a bad trade-off at all.
Usually they do satire. This is distillation of actual sentiment.

 
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Legal challenges to the order point to a series of statements about Trump's intent to ban Muslims from entering the US as evidence that the move was in fact designed with such a goal in mind -- and constitutional law experts agree there is a precedent for the courts taking that argument to heart.

In a case currently before the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, lawyers for the states of Washington and Minnesota cite previous court holdings on religious discrimination that it is "'the duty of the courts to distinguish a sham secular purpose from a sincere one.'"
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/06/politics/trump-muslim-ban-travel-lawsuit/index.html

 
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There were sane, rational people saying this was going to happen the entire way, too.

When Democrats vilified Trump's call for a ban and said his policies would lead to radicalization and make us less safe, it was not just an empty political attack. They were trying to convince more people of the unforeseen consequences that would be wrought were Trump to ascend to power and carry out his decrees.

Unfortunately, due to either the perpetual stage of conditioned, irrational fear that a large chunk of the country finds itself in or the flawed nature of the messengers who were sounding the alarm, not enough people listened. Or they listened and decided it was not important and they would vote for Trump anyway.

And here we find ourselves, at that eventuality. It is frustrating and disappointing to my very core thattoo many of my fellow Americans either didn't listen or didn't care that this day was coming down the pike.

But here we are. I'm glad we've begun pushing back. What Knapp foretold will likely come to pass. And Trump and the evil little men surrounding him will use it as justification to further persecute the most vulnerable among us. Shoot, they've already done it. They've scapegoated an entire nationality in the face of all available data and sheer reality as justification for building a stupid, expensive, useless wall.

We will continue to discover our own true mettle, as well as that of those around us, when the events Knapp described occur. We'll need to push back then, too.

 
Gotta hand it to Jake Tapper. He's doing solid work here, not letting Trump off the hook with his attempts to rephrase his statements when the public doesn't buy the BS.


 
Atbone95 said:
Moiraine said:
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There is legal precedent for Trump's EO. This is all a bunch of whiny nonsense. It's 90 days.
It's unconstitutional to use religion as a factor in whether or not to allow someone into the country.
And the EO bars entry from 7 countries identified as potential terror threats to the US.

The EO examines country of origin as a factor in whether or not to allow someone into the country.

The EO examines country of origin as a factor in whether or not to allow someone into the country.
How many terrorist attacks on the US have originated from those 7 countries?

 
Lil' Red said:
Dewiz said:
commando said:
Dewiz said:
Yay another super bowl filled with political commercials #NotMySuperBowl
toughen up snowflake
I'm not the one who's being snowflaking for the past month about Trump sir......the guy I voted for won the election. Life is great
Just curious, does it bother you how much Trump complains? He is literally the most thin-skinned person that I know of.
I absolutely love the irony of people using the term "Snowflake" to defend someone who, by their very definition, would be the most bigly snowflake out there.

 
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