Immigration Ban

Ric Flair said:
If he wanted to be present for the birth of his child, he should have stayed in Mexico. We don’t owe him any favors. He’s here illegally. Period.
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And we'll have to fundamentally disagree. I don't think missing the birth of a child is a punish that fits the crime of being over a border.

Ric Flair said:
Plus the guy’s wanted in connection with a homicide. I can’t even fathom giving a crap about whether he gets to watch his kid be born. First, he should be in Mexico. Second, he should be in jail. 
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As I've said several times, if he indeed has a warrant out for his arrest for murder, then I'm fine with him being detained/arrested, so that's a strawman. However, the way ICE released a claim of a warrant a day later after initially just saying he was here illegally, makes me a bit suspicious. But as I said, hopefully a hearing will be held and the truth will come out.

 
Ric Flair said:
He’s wanted for a homicide. Are we really going to quibble about where and how they apprehend him so they can send him back? 
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Why should we take ICE’s word for it?? According to the article there is no documentation or evidence to support this claim. Even their own statement from Friday fails to mention it.

I take it you feel law enforcement should be able to execute their assignments even though not all information is available to the public??? 

 
funhusker said:
Why should we take ICE’s word for it?? According to the article there is no documentation or evidence to support this claim. Even their own statement from Friday fails to mention it.

I take it you feel law enforcement should be able to execute their assignments even though not all information is available to the public??? 
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Yes, I’ll take ICE’s word for it. They are under no obligation to share everything they know with the public. And regardless, if he’s here illegally, my sympathy is limited. 

 
RedDenver said:
And we'll have to fundamentally disagree. I don't think missing the birth of a child is a punish that fits the crime of being over a border.

As I've said several times, if he indeed has a warrant out for his arrest for murder, then I'm fine with him being detained/arrested, so that's a strawman. However, the way ICE released a claim of a warrant a day later after initially just saying he was here illegally, makes me a bit suspicious. But as I said, hopefully a hearing will be held and the truth will come out.
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Yeah, we’ll have to disagree. I don’t think we owe illegal immigrants anything. I’d be curious to know who’s paying the hospital bills related to delivering the baby. My guess is the murderer here illegally isn’t and one way or another the rest of us taxpayers are.

 
Ric Flair said:
Yeah, we’ll have to disagree. I don’t think we owe illegal immigrants anything. I’d be curious to know who’s paying the hospital bills related to delivering the baby. My guess is the murderer here illegally isn’t and one way or another the rest of us taxpayers are.
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Actually.....if they have a job....which the vast majority are here working.....chances are, they are paying taxes.....even the murderer....since he did have a job. 

 
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BigRedBuster said:
Actually.....if they have a job....which the vast majority are here working.....chances are, they are paying taxes.....even the murderer....since he did have a job. 
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Do they have health insurance? I doubt it. My guess is the rest of us will wind up paying for the medical bills.

HOORAY FOR OPEN BORDERS!

 
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Ric Flair said:
Do they have health insurance? I doubt it. My guess is the rest of us will wind up paying for the medical bills.

HOORAY FOR OPEN BORDERS!
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Isn't the mother here legally?  I'm sure she is, so I'll continue.  There would have been zero medical bills related to the father.  The surgery would have been on the legal mother and recovery and care for her and the baby.  He would not be a patient.

So unless you are advocating deporting everyone that can't afford a medical bill, I see no reason for this discussion in this thread.

Never mind: I read the initial story incorrectly.  She also is undocumented.  Carry on...

 
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I'm going to leave my above post as an example of it being okay to post something in error and admit it was posted without full information.  I screwed up.  Oops.

That said, the mother is "undocumented" but has 3 children born in the US.  Not sure on the laws anymore, they do need reformed.  But how does that affect her "status"?    The baby will be a citizen.  So would his/her delivery be considered a service to "illegals"?  Or just a surgery for the "legal"?  Should doctors just cut the "illegal" open to pull out the citizen and let the "illegal" fend for herself?  Should we pay for the expensive surgery, but not the cheaper antibiotics and painkillers?

Instead of not having this discussion, maybe we should?  Like I said, I was wrong...

 
Ric Flair said:
To think that his shirt isn’t meant to convey a message is hopelessly naive.
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Show the laws he's promulgated that would dissolve America's borders.

Heck, show the laws that any person in Congress has promulgated that would dissolve America's borders.

Because without that evidence, this is all third grade nonsense.

 
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