Saunders
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He should know how it works, especially since Polo and his posse did this for, uh, years? Am I misreading this, or does this seem a bit odd?
knapplc
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zoogs
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Not very, but I see what you mean.
These are the kinds of posters that knapp would have been especially proactive in clamping down on. I would say he probably expects us to do something about some poster or other in this category eventually (and we well might, but nothing's on the horizon so far, right?), and is offering some public support for it. He knows more than anyone the griping about censorship that comes up every time it happens.
I appreciate it, as it makes things easier for us. If we decline, we're being lenient. The other HLR guys, meh. They can bellyache all they want. Knapp can even join in if he likes. It's no skin off our backs. These are bumps any large, eclectic message board will run into, and we can just stick to our standards and keep this ship going as we've always done.
These are the kinds of posters that knapp would have been especially proactive in clamping down on. I would say he probably expects us to do something about some poster or other in this category eventually (and we well might, but nothing's on the horizon so far, right?), and is offering some public support for it. He knows more than anyone the griping about censorship that comes up every time it happens.
I appreciate it, as it makes things easier for us. If we decline, we're being lenient. The other HLR guys, meh. They can bellyache all they want. Knapp can even join in if he likes. It's no skin off our backs. These are bumps any large, eclectic message board will run into, and we can just stick to our standards and keep this ship going as we've always done.
rawhide
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Just sayin', but for being burnt out on the board knapp is still spending a lot of time on it and with statistics. Not a bad thing just an observation.
I take a more lax attitude with the he said she said kinda stuff. Some people may not like it, it's all good. If knapp really wants action taken he wouldn't hesitate to call attention to it. Unless he's trying to be tongue in cheek sneaky. The board is cyclic and has been since I've been a member and the dynamic changes with coaches, wins and losses and between members. Basically, what the board is for.
I take a more lax attitude with the he said she said kinda stuff. Some people may not like it, it's all good. If knapp really wants action taken he wouldn't hesitate to call attention to it. Unless he's trying to be tongue in cheek sneaky. The board is cyclic and has been since I've been a member and the dynamic changes with coaches, wins and losses and between members. Basically, what the board is for.
AR Husker Fan
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Irony abounds. Lance was the loudest voice for banning Polo - there's even a thread he started about him (as I recall, more than a year before Polo was banned).
Perhaps he is just voicing a subtle bit of support. Perhaps he's trying to get the members to b!^@h to force our hand. As Alex said, no skin off our back.
But speaking of irony - as I'm sure everyone has noticed, sd'sker again tried sneaking in promotion for HLR. After he did, we got this email from RotoRiot:
That's one reason I'm hesitant to say we need to stomp on the bitchers. We need a certain amount of that kind of element to keep things lively. Lance never really saw it that way.
Perhaps he is just voicing a subtle bit of support. Perhaps he's trying to get the members to b!^@h to force our hand. As Alex said, no skin off our back.
But speaking of irony - as I'm sure everyone has noticed, sd'sker again tried sneaking in promotion for HLR. After he did, we got this email from RotoRiot:
The reason they have sd'sker trying to promote their board is because it's virtually a ghost town. They have two problems - too few members and too little content. I've operated, moderated or administered a number of boards, and you have to have a critical mass of members to make it. The reason is two-fold. You need enough folks to ensure that new material is added regularly, and you need enough diversity or everyone becomes bored - they know what everyone is going to say and you end up with a kind of homogenous board where there is no real discussion. Just a lot of, "Yeah, I agree".
That's one reason I'm hesitant to say we need to stomp on the bitchers. We need a certain amount of that kind of element to keep things lively. Lance never really saw it that way.
It'sNotAFakeID
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That's what we're going to use? We're going to use the "Well Polo and his guys did it, so that makes it okay (even though it apparently wasn't because well they're not members here anymore)." People got fed up with Polo's and other posters' flying circus act that they'd pull here after losses and close wins, and if you ran the stats, I'm sure you'd find similar stats as knapp posted above.
So I tell you what, because I think I'm sitting on a different side of the fence than you all are now, let's compromise a little. 74Hunter had been warned a couple of times for continuing to post in an inflammatory manner just because he had an axe to grind (posting negatively about Tommy because so many people were negative to Taylor). Well he's doing the same thing for Riley because so many people were "mean" to Bo.
Because we "need" to keep these guys around to "keep the content lively and entertaining", can we at least start warning these members for this kind of behavior? That way, they can stick around, perhaps tune down their posting and the content of their posts? And if they're not, they can find another place, because them staying around isn't necessarily good for the board either. I know, if I was fed up with nothing being done with these guys, that I might look to places where they aren't posting.
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zoogs
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I don't think we're really on opposite sides of a fence here...I mean, at least, I think something needs to be done eventually if they don't cool it.
I mean, all these sardonic wisecracks were a Southern Miss win today away from being the standard majority opinion here.
Opinions vary on where and when you draw the line, but I think all of us as mods are given trust and latitude here. Make a call, and we'll back you up on it and discuss if need be.
For me, I would say something like, if I need to keep moving dozens of Hunter's posts from one thread to another for being derailing. Or a personal attack or a guy that's just losing it and needs to take a seat for three days. The guiding principle for me is, "What is needed to result in this person being a part of the community, or is there no hope at all." The latter (or any action that might contribute into heading down that path) is something I really want to avoid unless it's a last resort.
I mean, all these sardonic wisecracks were a Southern Miss win today away from being the standard majority opinion here.
Opinions vary on where and when you draw the line, but I think all of us as mods are given trust and latitude here. Make a call, and we'll back you up on it and discuss if need be.
For me, I would say something like, if I need to keep moving dozens of Hunter's posts from one thread to another for being derailing. Or a personal attack or a guy that's just losing it and needs to take a seat for three days. The guiding principle for me is, "What is needed to result in this person being a part of the community, or is there no hope at all." The latter (or any action that might contribute into heading down that path) is something I really want to avoid unless it's a last resort.
NUance
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I agree that there are a bunch of negative asshats running around right now, and annoying the hell out of the rest of us. But the real issue with Lance in the OP of this thread is that he doesn't like it now that any member can disagree with him and flip him crap. And he can't clamp down on them.
It's a dark time in Husker nation right now. We'll just have to muddle through as best we can.
It's a dark time in Husker nation right now. We'll just have to muddle through as best we can.
AR Husker Fan
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Sorry if what I posted came across as "take no action". That wasn't the intent. Rather, it was that, as NUance said, the program is going through a dark time, and the complainers will be out in full force. To an extent, we need to recognize that this will all eventually pass. If we start to see members leaving or not posting, we may need to consider stronger action. But at the same time, we still have rules that can be used for anyone that gets out of hand - derailing threads, trolling, etc.
It becomes VERY difficult to draw a bright line upon which everyone of us can agree as to when someone crosses the line between actual discussion into flaming, trolling or derailing. We've struggled with that since the days of formerfan. We've always tended to bend over backwards to give those folks the benefit of the doubt. That's because most of those folks will eventually become good posters/members. Right now, EVERYONE is tired of all the bitching - including use. But at the same time, we don't want to go overboard and quash actual discussion and debate.
I guess what I'm saying is, as usual, use your best judgment. Ask in here about specific cases if in doubt. Like Eric and Chad, I can't get on here nearly enough to be aware of the tenor of the board, or to know who is getting out of line, and I apologize for that. It can't be helped. But I think when we all communicate and discuss, we can come to a good decision. Each of you were offered Moderator status because the way you handled yourself. You set the example of what we expect from the members.
It becomes VERY difficult to draw a bright line upon which everyone of us can agree as to when someone crosses the line between actual discussion into flaming, trolling or derailing. We've struggled with that since the days of formerfan. We've always tended to bend over backwards to give those folks the benefit of the doubt. That's because most of those folks will eventually become good posters/members. Right now, EVERYONE is tired of all the bitching - including use. But at the same time, we don't want to go overboard and quash actual discussion and debate.
I guess what I'm saying is, as usual, use your best judgment. Ask in here about specific cases if in doubt. Like Eric and Chad, I can't get on here nearly enough to be aware of the tenor of the board, or to know who is getting out of line, and I apologize for that. It can't be helped. But I think when we all communicate and discuss, we can come to a good decision. Each of you were offered Moderator status because the way you handled yourself. You set the example of what we expect from the members.
Thanks_Tom RR
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I think he made his position clear with the "Screw you, complainers" thread three weeks ago, and I don't remember seeing many supporting him. For as large as this board is, we are bound to have members across the entire spectrum from Eeyore to sunshine pumpers. No problem with that. The issue arises when someone has a single message (e.g., "Riley was a bad hire"), and only making posts, in every thread, to talk about that one issue. It is like how Polo only wanted to talk about how Pelini was a 9-win coach and needs to be fired and derailed every thread into a "Pelini should go" debate.I agree that there are a bunch of negative asshats running around right now, and annoying the hell out of the rest of us. But the real issue with Lance in the OP of this thread is that he doesn't like it now that any member can disagree with him and flip him crap. And he can't clamp down on them.
It's a dark time in Husker nation right now. We'll just have to muddle through as best we can.
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AR Husker Fan
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And those would fall squarely into the Derailing Threads group. Warn them about it and if they don't stop, suspend them for a week or so. And if that doesn't do it, we ban them.
Mavric
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Thanks_Tom RR is exactly right. Knapp is firmly in the "nothing is the coaches' fault. They don't have the athletes they need and have to have more time to get their system in place." Not only the "Screw you" thread but he also started a thread comparing the 2008 to 2015 trying to point out lack of talent. He's entitled to his opinion but for whatever reason he's been totally discarding any argument to the contrary.
And above all that, there were several thread that were discussing football this week. I started at least two of them myself - one a play-by-play of the Miami game - and I'm sure there were others. I don't think he posted in any of them. But he was sure arguing with people in the complaining threads.
I just don't get where he's coming from right now.
And above all that, there were several thread that were discussing football this week. I started at least two of them myself - one a play-by-play of the Miami game - and I'm sure there were others. I don't think he posted in any of them. But he was sure arguing with people in the complaining threads.
I just don't get where he's coming from right now.
zoogs
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I'm as firmly in that camp as he is, and as firmly as you are in the "Banker's secondary scheme needs to completely change" camp (which I reserve the right to join by the end of the year
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My opinion: we don't know how much the coaches have their work cut out for them this year. I'm happy to give them a pass to start with, the same pass I'd expect most people to give to any coach for a couple of years. If the results are bad, it might be because they are doing a bad job. It might be because their job is a lot harder than our personal estimate of it.
I'm not a fan of any rush to decide if a coach is bad, or not. This is the dawn of a fresh start, and I don't understand -- and can't help but find myself contending with -- a "Coach on the Hotseat" atmosphere. We just got out of several exhausting years of that, and that was well-earned by the last coach only after he'd worn out his welcome.
It's just where the hot discussion is, I guess, given how many -- and I don't mean you or saunders, to be clear -- do want that kind of atmosphere again. At times, it's insufferable. But, I get it. When things don't go well, people will be unhappy, and they'll vent about it and talk about what they want changed.
I probably post in other threads too, but I'm sure it's not as much. If I do, it's only because I spend enough time on here to get to them
Hopefully, that clears up that position. I can completely relate to it.
I apologize, by the way, if I ever go overboard with it. It does seem, unbelievably to me, a big issue of contention this year.
My opinion: we don't know how much the coaches have their work cut out for them this year. I'm happy to give them a pass to start with, the same pass I'd expect most people to give to any coach for a couple of years. If the results are bad, it might be because they are doing a bad job. It might be because their job is a lot harder than our personal estimate of it.
I'm not a fan of any rush to decide if a coach is bad, or not. This is the dawn of a fresh start, and I don't understand -- and can't help but find myself contending with -- a "Coach on the Hotseat" atmosphere. We just got out of several exhausting years of that, and that was well-earned by the last coach only after he'd worn out his welcome.
It's just where the hot discussion is, I guess, given how many -- and I don't mean you or saunders, to be clear -- do want that kind of atmosphere again. At times, it's insufferable. But, I get it. When things don't go well, people will be unhappy, and they'll vent about it and talk about what they want changed.
I probably post in other threads too, but I'm sure it's not as much. If I do, it's only because I spend enough time on here to get to them
I apologize, by the way, if I ever go overboard with it. It does seem, unbelievably to me, a big issue of contention this year.
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Mavric
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And I have no problem with people who feel that way. But he's being combative if not hostile to people who don't feel the same way. That's what I find odd.I'm as firmly in that camp as he is, and as firmly as you are in the "Banker's secondary scheme needs to completely change" camp (which I reserve the right to join by the end of the year)
My opinion: we don't know how much the coaches have their work cut out for them this year. I'm happy to give them a pass to start with, the same pass I'd expect most people to give to any coach for a couple of years. If the results are bad, it might be because they are doing a bad job. It might be because their job is a lot harder than our personal estimate of it.
I'm not a fan of any rush to decide if a coach is bad, or not. This is the dawn of a fresh start, and I don't understand -- and can't help but find myself contending with -- a "Coach on the Hotseat" atmosphere. We just got out of several exhausting years of that, and that was well-earned by the last coach only after he'd worn out his welcome.
It's just where the hot discussion is, I guess, given how many -- and I don't mean you or saunders, to be clear -- do want that kind of atmosphere again. At times, it's insufferable. But, I get it. When things don't go well, people will be unhappy, and they'll vent about it and talk about what they want changed.
I probably post in other threads too, but I'm sure it's not as much. If I do, it's only because I spend enough time on here to get to themHopefully, that clears up that position. I can completely relate to it.
I apologize, by the way, if I ever go overboard with it. It does seem, unbelievably to me, a big issue of contention this year.
And the point that he's spending most of the time posting in the threads arguing with the complainers while not posting at all in the threads that are talking about football. Then he tries to complain that he doesn't have anywhere to go to "just talk about football." Also odd.
I know we've gone back and forth on some things but that's what discussion is about - two (or more) people disagree on an issue and both present their side as they see it. Sometimes it changes someone's opinion, sometimes it doesn't. But neither one of us has resorted to a "screw you" post/thread because we disagree.
It'sNotAFakeID
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I don't think Lance is being combative (and that's a strong word) with people who think Banker's scheme should be completely changed or people who think Banker is the second coming of Cosgrove. He's disagreeing (and rightfully so) with the people who have taken such a strong disliking to Riley after 4 games, which I think is fair. It has after all been just 4 games, and we have people willing to throw in the towel so early on such a young season.