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[Eric the Red]

Just sayin', but for being burnt out on the board knapp is still spending a lot of time on it and with statistics. Not a bad thing just an observation.

I take a more lax attitude with the he said she said kinda stuff. Some people may not like it, it's all good. If knapp really wants action taken he wouldn't hesitate to call attention to it. Unless he's trying to be tongue in cheek sneaky. The board is cyclic and has been since I've been a member and the dynamic changes with coaches, wins and losses and between members. Basically, what the board is for.

...and this folks is why we keep this 'ol geezer around - moderator emeritus

e·mer·i·tus
əˈmerədəs/
adjective
adjective: emeritus
(of the former holder of an office, especially a college professor) having retired but allowed to retain their title as an honor.

 

[Eric the Red]

Irony abounds. Lance was the loudest voice for banning Polo - there's even a thread he started about him (as I recall, more than a year before Polo was banned).

Perhaps he is just voicing a subtle bit of support. Perhaps he's trying to get the members to b!^@h to force our hand. As Alex said, no skin off our back.

But speaking of irony - as I'm sure everyone has noticed, sd'sker again tried sneaking in promotion for HLR. After he did, we got this email from RotoRiot:

Nice fledgling shithole you have now. People are definitey being more assholish now then when we were all there. Keep up the good work! Long live butthurt!

P.S. nice heartbeat of husker nation you have

The reason they have sd'sker trying to promote their board is because it's virtually a ghost town. They have two problems - too few members and too little content. I've operated, moderated or administered a number of boards, and you have to have a critical mass of members to make it. The reason is two-fold. You need enough folks to ensure that new material is added regularly, and you need enough diversity or everyone becomes bored - they know what everyone is going to say and you end up with a kind of homogenous board where there is no real discussion. Just a lot of, "Yeah, I agree".

That's one reason I'm hesitant to say we need to stomp on the bitchers. We need a certain amount of that kind of element to keep things lively. Lance never really saw it that way.

We need to pin this repy from Ar Husker because it's exactly what I would say. Think about it. Since 2003, when we started this board how many negative events that have happened to Husker nation and the subsequent b!^@h sessions there have come from it. We need all view points. We've been there and seen that. People rarely leave forever.

I'll say what I always say...."be the board you want to see." If you are not actively involved in some posting here or there and simply trying to "police" you're not going to get the results and board you want to see. It's like voting, I'm sure you have a friend or know someone that complains about politics and bitches about one party or the other, but never votes. Do you take them serious?

What Lance wants is so difficult to achieve. In my eyes it's the ultimate, the holygrail. A board where everyone posts intellegently. A board where every opinon is cited with fact. A board that have members who show humility and respect. Oh what a world. Lance has a love and passion for UNL and wants nothing more that to see us return to glory and I'm right with him. Sometimes though he just gets so caught up in the moment and takes things very personal. I hope he stays on the board as a poster. (FYI - I think this is we can still something we can get close to with a forum similiar to the Woodshed - I posted something about it somewhere - another discussion for a nother time

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As for him on the board so much there are probably several reasons. First, HLR as has been noted, is dead except for a folks who get off being allowed to curse as a nameless, facelesss interwebs poster. Second, maybe he is revving up his presence here to get people over to HLR as a last ditch effort. To show people what they are missing out on. He is very interesting to read. Always enjoyed his humor, that's for sure. His PM could be full of invites to HLR. I don't know.

Hope this helps guys. Do your best.

Eric

 

[zoogs]

I know we've gone back and forth on some things but that's what discussion is about - two (or more) people disagree on an issue and both present their side as they see it. Sometimes it changes someone's opinion, sometimes it doesn't. But neither one of us has resorted to a "screw you" post/thread because we disagree.

Appreciate that greatly of you, Mav

On Lance, I don't think there's much sinister about this. He's the same Lance he's always been, which is to say, mostly aces, and not taking too kindly to people he sees as bitching. I was ready to run Pelini out of town before most and I remember some pretty heated exchanges on the main forums with him, when we were both mods. As well as differences of opinion in moderator action. (But, he's always been top notch in my book. Always will be.)

I also don't think it benefits us in any way to be on our guard too much. Even if his intentions are less than good towards HB (which I do not believe!), I think he should *always* get nothing less than the honorable treatment from us. Even if things ever turn south, somehow, we will never be the ones who start or contribute to it. I am sure HLR would love the drama, but they will never get it from us on this one.

 

[Saunders]

FTR, I don't really have a problem with what he said, or him saying it. It's one thing if it's a minority of people doing it, but like half the board (and fanbase?) is on edge right now. I just find it weird after all the issues we had with the Polo posse, (and the only time I ever got in "trouble" here was because of Polo and Knapp) that he's making a big deal about people being negative...

 

[Eric the Red]

FTR, I don't really have a problem with what he said, or him saying it. It's one thing if it's a minority of people doing it, but like half the board (and fanbase?) is on edge right now. I just find it weird after all the issues we had with the Polo posse, (and the only time I ever got in "trouble" here was because of Polo and Knapp) that he's making a big deal about people being negative...

I agree and am happy you brought it up. Most were thinking what you wrote.

 

[Saunders]

I don't think Lance is being combative (and that's a strong word) with people who think Banker's scheme should be completely changed or people who think Banker is the second coming of Cosgrove. He's disagreeing (and rightfully so) with the people who have taken such a strong disliking to Riley after 4 games, which I think is fair. It has after all been just 4 games, and we have people willing to throw in the towel so early on such a young season.

This is how I see it. He's certainly not in True or RADAR's category of blind fanaticism.

 

[Saunders]

FTR, I don't really have a problem with what he said, or him saying it. It's one thing if it's a minority of people doing it, but like half the board (and fanbase?) is on edge right now. I just find it weird after all the issues we had with the Polo posse, (and the only time I ever got in "trouble" here was because of Polo and Knapp) that he's making a big deal about people being negative...

I agree and am happy you brought it up. Most were thinking what you wrote.

Thanks Eric!

I'm still trying to learn the ropes, and I'm trying not to cross any "mod" lines, but holy sh#t we need to win some games or this is gonna be a miserable place.

 

[zoogs]

I've always appreciated how good folks on this team are at not crossing those lines or getting too much in the weeds. Although it happens, from time to time -- we're only human

It's important to be fair and not overbearing, especially when we are also some of the top posters here, and the latter effect is so easy to occur naturally. What we say and how we conduct ourselves has a pretty official feel to it. When a mod and member are going at it, they can really feel backed into a corner, and that rarely ends well. (I should maybe be nicer to GBRedneck, come think of it.)

It isn't always an easy job, but Frank said something really good up there and I hope it doesn't get lost, especially on you new guys:

Each of you were offered Moderator status because the way you handled yourself. You set the example of what we expect from the members.

It can't be emphasized enough. Very happy to be part of a group like this, and very happy to see you guys getting acclimated and getting involved.

 

[Blackshirtsguru]

Irony abounds. Lance was the loudest voice for banning Polo - there's even a thread he started about him (as I recall, more than a year before Polo was banned).

Perhaps he is just voicing a subtle bit of support. Perhaps he's trying to get the members to b!^@h to force our hand. As Alex said, no skin off our back.

But speaking of irony - as I'm sure everyone has noticed, sd'sker again tried sneaking in promotion for HLR. After he did, we got this email from RotoRiot:

Nice fledgling shithole you have now. People are definitey being more assholish now then when we were all there. Keep up the good work! Long live butthurt!

P.S. nice heartbeat of husker nation you have

The reason they have sd'sker trying to promote their board is because it's virtually a ghost town. They have two problems - too few members and too little content. I've operated, moderated or administered a number of boards, and you have to have a critical mass of members to make it. The reason is two-fold. You need enough folks to ensure that new material is added regularly, and you need enough diversity or everyone becomes bored - they know what everyone is going to say and you end up with a kind of homogenous board where there is no real discussion. Just a lot of, "Yeah, I agree".

That's one reason I'm hesitant to say we need to stomp on the bitchers. We need a certain amount of that kind of element to keep things lively. Lance never really saw it that way.

I agree...People are going to "complain" about the state of the Huskers now. Hell I am one of them to a certain degree. Some see it as "bitching" but if they can bring up valid points to support their moods, it does make for a good board discussion.

 

[rawhide]

Just sayin', but for being burnt out on the board knapp is still spending a lot of time on it and with statistics. Not a bad thing just an observation.

I take a more lax attitude with the he said she said kinda stuff. Some people may not like it, it's all good. If knapp really wants action taken he wouldn't hesitate to call attention to it. Unless he's trying to be tongue in cheek sneaky. The board is cyclic and has been since I've been a member and the dynamic changes with coaches, wins and losses and between members. Basically, what the board is for.

...and this folks is why we keep this 'ol geezer around - moderator emeritus

e·mer·i·tus
əˈmerədəs/
adjective
adjective: emeritus
(of the former holder of an office, especially a college professor) having retired but allowed to retain their title as an honor.
not sure if I'm supposed to feel honored or if I should have my labor attorney check out my severance package contract.

 

[Mavric]

I'm not saying any action needs to be taken necessarily. But this is right up against it, in my opinion. Especially for someone who championed "post, not poster".

I'm in favor of amending HuskerBoard rules to give an immediate ban to anyone who still pines after that abortion of a conference. It's pathetic. It's like begging your ex-boyfriend to take you back, and telling all your friends it wasn't his fault that he cheated on you.

Have some self-respect for Pete's sake.

 

[BIGREDIOWAN]

He's skirting it for a reason, to me that's too general for us to be able to say he's attacking someone specifically.

 

[zoogs]

He's always been a man of forceful opinions. Heated disagreements are OK. I don't think there's any intent here other than he feels particularly strongly about this topic. As long as he doesn't lash out at a user directly.

I do agree that its something that is not too far from maybe a friendly "hey, tone it down."

If you're going to get really worked up about an argument, though, it *is* good to do it without a "Mod" hat. It is definitely an area I am (trying!...) to tone down more and more myself. As much as I'm inclined to argue some points sometimes, there's a danger of coming off too forceful about it with that official badge. Gotta let people feel like they can have their own takes, and not like they're on the wrong side of site management.

OTOH, letting members argue passionately amongst themselves can be healthy discussion, so long as they know when to take a step back. And knapp does.

 

[Saunders]

Eh, I kinda agree with him.

 

[AR Husker Fan]

I think this is Lance being Lance. To some extent, Lance wanted to move beyond moderation into "general tone". For example, he would block people he called seasonal bitchers - people who seemed to join for no reason than to post negatively. Generally, he did that when it became obvious that's that they wanted to do - but at the same time, he always wanted to have the board have a certain "feel" to it. Not a bad thing or a good thing. Sometimes it was right for the board, sometimes it wasn't, and we'd discuss. This is the same. He's frustrated.