Lee vs. POB

If Lee is named the starter, will O'Brien transfer before the season starts?

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The Dude said:
Roger Dorn said:
The Dude said:
The check-down on 3rd & long will be a fan favorite in no time.
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Better than over throwing a go route to a covered WR on 3rd and 6th
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It's really not though. Low risk, high reward is always better than low risk, low reward.
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It's all situational. If you have a QB who excels at throwing go routes and have a receiver who is solid at winning jump balls then maybe a decent idea on third and long. However I would rather have a QB who doesn't force a bad throw and gives a good playmaker a chance to make a play. You don't want to have check down Sam Keller out there but an appropriate and properly executed check down is a very good option.
 
Roger Dorn said:
The Dude said:
Roger Dorn said:
The Dude said:
The check-down on 3rd & long will be a fan favorite in no time.
Click to expand...
Better than over throwing a go route to a covered WR on 3rd and 6th
Click to expand...
It's really not though. Low risk, high reward is always better than low risk, low reward.
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It's all situational. If you have a QB who excels at throwing go routes and have a receiver who is solid at winning jump balls then maybe a decent idea on third and long. However I would rather have a QB who doesn't force a bad throw and gives a good playmaker a chance to make a play. You don't want to have check down Sam Keller out there but an appropriate and properly executed check down is a very good option.
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Obviously neither thing we mentioned is optimal, but throwing deep on 3rd & 6 is better than checking down on 3rd and long. Generally speaking, the best case scenario on the deep pass is a big gain. Worst case scenario is an interception, which is effectively a punt. On the check down on 3rd and long you're punting either way. But at least your completion percentage looks better at the end of the game.
 
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I don't think check-downs are bad to have. Just because Sam Keller dumped it off the second his feet settled, doesn't mean it will happen like that in 2017. If I had to guess, we will see it more often earlier in the season until the passing game starts to gel with all these new parts (or inexperienced parts).

 
unlfan said:
The Dude said:
Roger Dorn said:
The Dude said:
Roger Dorn said:
The Dude said:
The check-down on 3rd & long will be a fan favorite in no time.
Click to expand...
Better than over throwing a go route to a covered WR on 3rd and 6th
Click to expand...
It's really not though. Low risk, high reward is always better than low risk, low reward.
Click to expand...
It's all situational. If you have a QB who excels at throwing go routes and have a receiver who is solid at winning jump balls then maybe a decent idea on third and long. However I would rather have a QB who doesn't force a bad throw and gives a good playmaker a chance to make a play. You don't want to have check down Sam Keller out there but an appropriate and properly executed check down is a very good option.
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Obviously neither thing we mentioned is optimal, but throwing deep on 3rd & 6 is better than checking down on 3rd and long. Generally speaking, the best case scenario on the deep pass is a big gain. Worst case scenario is an interception, which is effectively a punt. On the check down on 3rd and long you're punting either way. But at least your completion percentage looks better at the end of the game.
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I don't think it's accurate to assume a check down would fail to get the first down. It is actually quite an effective play.
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Even the check down short throw on 3rd and 20 is better than an incompletion assuming you get it to a player with good running skills. The defense will be defending deeper and you will likely pickup 6 or 8 yards and help in the field position game. In most games, yards are valuable anywhere on the field. If you give your defense more field to defend, they have a better chance of stopping the opponent. For example, in a majority of cases, those self induced 5 yard delay of game penalties to give the punter more room to kick into are typically a mistake. If your punter doesn't have the ability to take a bit off his kick, he's not up to the job and you can find somebody better. Take yards whenever possible. A 20 yard pass that is picked off and returned 5 yards is NOT equal to a 35 yard punt inside the ten. Interceptions are a big negative hit to the QB confidence and sometimes even the entire team while boosting the opposing team. A careful QB who makes few mistakes will keep you in games with a chance to make something happen in the 4th quarter where momentum can take over.

We saw way too many passes over the past decade by average passers into double coverage etc. Now, half the time, those passes may be caught by the WR and the play turns out OK but too often they are not. The QB, above all else, needs to make good decisions and not hurt his team. Let the WRs and RBs be the playmakers as a rule. Now and then, a surprise QB draw, even for a very average runner, can be very effective and get that key first down and move the chains. But electrifying 95 yard QB scrambles (ala Eric Crouch) are not going to be your offensive bread and butter. Neither are the 50 yard bombs.

 
The Dude said:
The check-down on 3rd & long will be a fan favorite in no time.
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Actually having less 3rd & longs will be a fan favorite this year.

I bet we complete a higher % of first downs on 3rd and long by throwing into the flats during 2017 then we did throwing the bomb in 2016.

 
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Riley said the two QBs are still splitting reps pretty much 50/50.

Said they would probably still split reps in fall camp. However, he said it was likely that they would decide on their starter before fall camp. Probably won't announce it publicly but would let the team know.

 
That kind of makes it sound like one guy would have to make a major move in the second half of spring practice to close the gap.

 
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