Lets just say. What if offense changes

[Undone]

I'd like to actually try to simplify things.

Huddling. No "two play reads" at scrimmage; huddle, come to the line, snap the ball. Try to eliminate all of the calculus equations that are apparently done prior to each snap.

I think that could go a long way.

 

[HTO]

No, Bo had a chance for this type of offense with Watson. Since Shawn couldn't get his vision across to Pelini, with full trust and more importantly consistent results, Pelini could've very easily hired an OC with similar offensive vision and gone from there. Instead, he chose to promote, with no experience calling plays at the college level, Tim Beck as Pelini has always wanted a spread type offense for his team.

And before anyone says Bo didn't know Nebraska would be in the B1G when he promoted Beck, think again. It was announced in 2010 that Nebraska would join the B1G in 2012 and Tim Beck was promoted in 2011.

For me, it's beyond time to move on. He's had chances to hire coordinators (Pap and Beck, both with zero college experience), assistants (Raymond, Els, Joseph, Fish, Garrison, Kaz and Warren) but for some reason, the end results stay the same with some nasty and embarrassing nationally televised losses.

 

[BaytownHusker]

Good, I like to see these types of responses. Just a little less naming the coaches would be better.

With Cross and A healthy but unproven Adam Taylor taking turns running some type of I-form football would be hell on opposing defenses next year. And then hit them with some play action pass to westerkamp or DPE streaking down field. We could do big things in the B1G. Again just my opinion though.

 

[BaytownHusker]

No, Bo had a chance for this type of offense with Watson. Since Shawn couldn't get his vision across to Pelini, with full trust and more importantly consistent results, Pelini could've very easily hired an OC with similar offensive vision and gone from there. Instead, he chose to promote, with no experience calling plays at the college level, Tim Beck as Pelini has always wanted a spread type offense for his team.

And before anyone says Bo didn't know Nebraska would be in the B1G when he promoted Beck, think again. It was announced in 2010 that Nebraska would join the B1G in 2012 and Tim Beck was promoted in 2011.

For me, it's beyond time to move on. He's had chances to hire coordinators (Pap and Beck, both with zero college experience), assistants (Raymond, Els, Joseph, Fish, Garrison, Kaz and Warren) but for some reason, the end results stay the same with some nasty and embarrassing nationally televised losses.

This is not a thread about who you feel should or shouldnt be coaching here.. Its simply a offensive scheme and player fit. discussion.

 

[HUSKER FREAK]

It was when we had Cross in the game. I couldn't figure out why in the hell they pulled him and put Abdullah back in when Cross was getting like 5 Plus yards per carry. And, no I don't think Cross is better when they are healthy but that was stupid and it was obvious that Ameer couldn't handle it.

I agree with you. It seemed that when TA was taking the snap from under center and handing it off to Cross, it was working. Cross is good when he can run downhill for a couple of yards before getting to the line. Not so much when being handed the ball next to the QB like AA.

Its kinda funny because their were people saying this prior to the last game and when they started doing it it made me laugh. And hell low and behold it worked. No I don't think we have any influence on this, but for crying out loud please just stick to what is working. Enough trying to fool people because we sure as hell aren't fooling anyone when we do that.

 

[BaytownHusker]

It was when we had Cross in the game. I couldn't figure out why in the hell they pulled him and put Abdullah back in when Cross was getting like 5 Plus yards per carry. And, no I don't think Cross is better when they are healthy but that was stupid and it was obvious that Ameer couldn't handle it.

I agree with you. It seemed that when TA was taking the snap from under center and handing it off to Cross, it was working. Cross is good when he can run downhill for a couple of yards before getting to the line. Not so much when being handed the ball next to the QB like AA.

Its kinda funny because their were people saying this prior to the last game and when they started doing it it made me laugh. And hell low and behold it worked. No I don't think we have any influence on this, but for crying out loud please just stick to what is working. Enough trying to fool people because we sure as hell aren't fooling anyone when we do that.

Remember last year and the Burkhead years when we would line up in the I-Form and toss it and Rex or AA would catch the toss already going down hill. What the heck ever happened to that play.

 

[HUSKER FREAK]

It was when we had Cross in the game. I couldn't figure out why in the hell they pulled him and put Abdullah back in when Cross was getting like 5 Plus yards per carry. And, no I don't think Cross is better when they are healthy but that was stupid and it was obvious that Ameer couldn't handle it.

I agree with you. It seemed that when TA was taking the snap from under center and handing it off to Cross, it was working. Cross is good when he can run downhill for a couple of yards before getting to the line. Not so much when being handed the ball next to the QB like AA.

Its kinda funny because their were people saying this prior to the last game and when they started doing it it made me laugh. And hell low and behold it worked. No I don't think we have any influence on this, but for crying out loud please just stick to what is working. Enough trying to fool people because we sure as hell aren't fooling anyone when we do that.

Remember last year and the Burkhead years when we would line up in the I-Form and toss it and Rex or AA would catch the toss already going down hill. What the heck ever happened to that play.

I was aying the same thing. That was absolutely using AA's speed and shiftiness in a power play that worked very very well. I was hoping to see some of that against Minnie and even wisky but it just didn't happen.

 

[HUSKER FREAK]

You know come to think of it. Weren't they saying before the season that they were going through the play book and taking the plays that we do well and using those? Well where the hell are they?

 

[HTO]

This is not a thread about who you feel should or shouldnt be coaching here.. Its simply a offensive scheme and player fit. discussion.

Okay, square peg, round hole discussion. My bad, I'll watch the discussion from the sideline, carry on.

 

[The Duke]

as long as the word "multiple" is banned from the description i'm cool w/ whatever.

To be fair...the #1 item in Tom Osborne's offensive philosophy was to be "multiple" as you can see in this short video clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oDFJWoQM2s

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

It was when we had Cross in the game. I couldn't figure out why in the hell they pulled him and put Abdullah back in when Cross was getting like 5 Plus yards per carry. And, no I don't think Cross is better when they are healthy but that was stupid and it was obvious that Ameer couldn't handle it.

Or when he was killing between the tackles and we go for the sweep......Pure beck.....Like the 2nd and 1......

We kill it between the tackles. Except when we don't.

The jet sweep is stupid. Except when it works.

When you get five yards on one carry, you'll get five yards on the next carry. Duh!

The guy who wasn't in the game would always have made the better play, because you can't prove otherwise.

Passing the ball when a defense is anticipating the run makes absolutely no sense, except to people who play football.

"Multiple" is an idiotic concept that's utilized by most teams in the Top 10.

 

[Cbody]

It was when we had Cross in the game. I couldn't figure out why in the hell they pulled him and put Abdullah back in when Cross was getting like 5 Plus yards per carry. And, no I don't think Cross is better when they are healthy but that was stupid and it was obvious that Ameer couldn't handle it.

Or when he was killing between the tackles and we go for the sweep......Pure beck.....Like the 2nd and 1......

We kill it between the tackles. Except when we don't.

The jet sweep is stupid. Except when it works.

When you get five yards on one carry, you'll get five yards on the next carry. Duh!

The guy who wasn't in the game would always have made the better play, because you can't prove otherwise.

Passing the ball when a defense is anticipating the run makes absolutely no sense, except to people who play football.

"Multiple" is an idiotic concept that's utilized by most teams in the Top 10.

^^^Absolutely^^^

 

[StPaulHusker]

It was when we had Cross in the game. I couldn't figure out why in the hell they pulled him and put Abdullah back in when Cross was getting like 5 Plus yards per carry. And, no I don't think Cross is better when they are healthy but that was stupid and it was obvious that Ameer couldn't handle it.

Or when he was killing between the tackles and we go for the sweep......Pure beck.....Like the 2nd and 1......

We kill it between the tackles. Except when we don't.

The jet sweep is stupid. Except when it works.

When you get five yards on one carry, you'll get five yards on the next carry. Duh!

The guy who wasn't in the game would always have made the better play, because you can't prove otherwise.

Passing the ball when a defense is anticipating the run makes absolutely no sense, except to people who play football.

"Multiple" is an idiotic concept that's utilized by most teams in the Top 10.

You make a good statement but I would say that if you looked at the "idiotic" concept of "multiple" with the top 10 teams and Nebraska, there is a stark difference between the flow of play calling for them and what Beck does.

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

It was when we had Cross in the game. I couldn't figure out why in the hell they pulled him and put Abdullah back in when Cross was getting like 5 Plus yards per carry. And, no I don't think Cross is better when they are healthy but that was stupid and it was obvious that Ameer couldn't handle it.

Or when he was killing between the tackles and we go for the sweep......Pure beck.....Like the 2nd and 1......

We kill it between the tackles. Except when we don't.

The jet sweep is stupid. Except when it works.

When you get five yards on one carry, you'll get five yards on the next carry. Duh!

The guy who wasn't in the game would always have made the better play, because you can't prove otherwise.

Passing the ball when a defense is anticipating the run makes absolutely no sense, except to people who play football.

"Multiple" is an idiotic concept that's utilized by most teams in the Top 10.

You make a good statement but I would say that if you looked at the "idiotic" concept of "multiple" with the top 10 teams and Nebraska, there is a stark difference between the flow of play calling for them and what Beck does.

More to the point, the flow worked perfectly well against lesser teams, and the multiple came in handy when those teams decided to go all-in stopping Ameer. Hard to remember, but we were recently among the top rushing, scoring and third down conversion offenses in the country. This same team also notched the highest total offense in a single game in Big 10 history.

The flow goes to hell when we match up against stronger, faster defenses. Not surprisingly, I suppose, but usually more of an indictment of our offensive line than the actual play being called. Also, these same offensive players get the same yips at the same time as the defense and special teams. They aren't mentally tough under big game pressure. When your best player coughs up the ball three times on a play he's made a thousand times, the yips are screwing up far more flow than the playcalling. As head coach, these big game yips are on Bo Pelini.

To think a cure is as simple as handing it to Ameer more, or less, or as obvious as swapping Cross for Abdullah, or committing to the I-formation, or diamond formation, or abandoning the zone read, or letting Armstrong zone read audible more, or checking down to that safety screen (it's always there!) or letting Ryker Fife start just means we have as many sure-fire no-brainer "multiple" solutions as any armchair OC.

When I watch the elite NCAA teams play -- and most NFL teams for that matter -- I see teams throwing on first down. Or three downs in a row. I see their running games rip it up for a quarter, then the offense go "pass happy" for a quarter. Depending on what the defense gives them. I see them rotate quarterbacks and sit star running backs. I see multiple schemes and formations. I see bread and butter plays that work and bread and butter plays that get sniffed out and shut down. I see elite teams that walk all over cupcakes and struggle against peers. Virtually every game these days I see a team inside the 10 yard line and an OC who calls a timing fade route in the end zone rather than trust the run game. Sometimes I see a quarterback like Marcus Mariota or Tom Brady and go "oh yeah. That helps."

Watch match ups of Top 10 teams and you rarely see four quarters of offensive flow. You see good defenses making adjustments, a of lot of three and outs and punts, and plenty of slugfests decided by a singular fourth quarter offensive drives. You see games won in the trenches by huge, highly recruited linemen.

Nebraska has problems right now. Offensive playcalling is not at the top of my list.

 

[Saunders]

More to the point, the flow worked perfectly well against lesser teams, and the multiple came in handy when those teams decided to go all-in stopping Ameer. Hard to remember, but we were recently among the top rushing, scoring and third down conversion offenses in the country. This same team also notched the highest total offense in a single game in Big 10 history.

The flow goes to hell when we match up against stronger, faster defenses. Not surprisingly, I suppose, but usually more of an indictment of our offensive line than the actual play being called. Also, these same offensive players get the same yips at the same time as the defense and special teams. They aren't mentally tough under big game pressure. When your best player coughs up the ball three times on a play he's made a thousand times, the yips are screwing up far more flow than the playcalling. As head coach, these big game yips are on Bo Pelini.

To think a cure is as simple as handing it to Ameer more, or less, or as obvious as swapping Cross for Abdullah, or committing to the I-formation, or diamond formation, or abandoning the zone read, or letting Armstrong zone read audible more, or checking down to that safety screen (it's always there!) or letting Ryker Fife start just means we have as many sure-fire no-brainer "multiple" solutions as any armchair OC.

When I watch the elite NCAA teams play -- and most NFL teams for that matter -- I see teams throwing on first down. Or three downs in a row. I see their running games rip it up for a quarter, then the offense go "pass happy" for a quarter. Depending on what the defense gives them. I see them rotate quarterbacks and sit star running backs. I see multiple schemes and formations. I see bread and butter plays that work and bread and butter plays that get sniffed out and shut down. I see elite teams that walk all over cupcakes and struggle against peers. Virtually every game these days I see a team inside the 10 yard line and an OC who calls a timing fade route in the end zone rather than trust the run game. Sometimes I see a quarterback like Marcus Mariota or Tom Brady and go "oh yeah. That helps."

Watch match ups of Top 10 teams and you rarely see four quarters of offensive flow. You see good defenses making adjustments, a of lot of three and outs and punts, and plenty of slugfests decided by a singular fourth quarter offensive drives. You see games won in the trenches by huge, highly recruited linemen.

Nebraska has problems right now. Offensive playcalling is not at the top of my list.