Martinez for Heisman
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BigRedBuster
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There’s what, 4-5 years difference between the two?
i expect Martinez to get stronger.
ZRod
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You're probably right, but if he isn't a finalist at a minimum before he leaves NU then something went horribly wrong. A True Frosh putting up the numbers he did without playing his senior year in high school is pretty amazing to me.
SF offenses are going to make skilled players turnover like its the NBA - especially QB's
I disagree that the nfl is going to turn nu into a turnstile for early leaving quarterbacks
while the nfl has opened up a bit, most teams are still running a pro style offense with statue quarterbacks
martinez is the real deal
hadnt played for a full year off a tough injury
first year in the system for him and everyone
without a full team of system recruited kids
in year one of totally revamped s&c program
a legit 225 lbs not the make believe 200 of the stickman gebbia
legit football speed with smart lateral quickness and good decisions when to run or not
good pocket presence/ making small movements to extend plays instead of panicking and taking off or taking big sacks
really mature kid, seems to be old beyond his years
im not one of those silly guys who predicts 12-0 every year or Heismans
but this kid will be in the conversation and soon if he stays healthy
while the nfl has opened up a bit, most teams are still running a pro style offense with statue quarterbacks
martinez is the real deal
hadnt played for a full year off a tough injury
first year in the system for him and everyone
without a full team of system recruited kids
in year one of totally revamped s&c program
a legit 225 lbs not the make believe 200 of the stickman gebbia
legit football speed with smart lateral quickness and good decisions when to run or not
good pocket presence/ making small movements to extend plays instead of panicking and taking off or taking big sacks
really mature kid, seems to be old beyond his years
im not one of those silly guys who predicts 12-0 every year or Heismans
but this kid will be in the conversation and soon if he stays healthy
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How plausible are those?
If we took last year’s numbers, remove Michigan/St since no team on the schedule projects to that level of defense, then take the average multiplied by 12 games:
3266 passing yards
830 rushing yards
It’s very likely, if he plays 12 games, he hits those marks. Not only should we expect him to personally improve, but this offense should improve by 60-70 yards as a whole, using its history as a guideline. The one thing I’d expect is for his rushing yards to decline slightly. Too many QB runs last year. It was used as a bit of a crutch last and as the offense as a whole improves they’ll wean off of that. Conversely, 4000 passing yards is not out of the question.
It’s harder to project TDs, but with the kind of speed we should see this year, passing TDs could be quite high.
Most football people define pro style to mean a bill Walsh inspired primarily one back limited running game with inside zone, outside zone and possibly a run featuring an adjuster h back wham blocked running play
uses a variety of formations but likes to get to a 1 back, adjuster h back and a tight end
play action passing game
quarterback that hands off and is not used as runner designed or otherwise
lots of straight drop back passing from both under center and shotgun
likes to create mismatches and create constraints with tight ends or big athletic h backs that can either create an additional run gap, motion, reset or threaten the deep middle zone in unfavorable matchups
passing concepts that attack all portions of the field
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Thanks. You are indeed the first.
However, outside of the QB run sentence, you just described about any modern one back offense (few won’t use a tight end or h-back). The only other sentence that would disqualify Frost’s offense would be the under center comment. When I see people commenting on a “pro style” offense, what they usually mean is the QB is mostly under center. The NFL, also known as the pros, is rapidly moving towards more and more plays from Shotgun.
The one sentence I would take exception of is the first. While it is true most of the NFL is from either the Bill Parcells or Bill Walsh coaching trees, Bill Walsh himself used almost exclusively two back sets. His use of split backs was so common, that was the set in the old days that got labeled the “pro set”.
Heisman favorites over recent years have not fared well. A big reason for so many surprises is so many offenses are capable of generating Heisman level stats if things break their way.