Media Bias

Guy Chamberlin said:
But what do you love about this?

Elon also used to be a San Francisco tech bro who happily ran in Lib circles and whose companies benefitted hugely from government policies, contracts and loans.

When he decided to declare himself  politically conservative, use the social media platform he bought to spread spurious rightwing messaging, pretend his success wasn't beholden to taxpayer assistance, and started buying influence for a new Trump administration, why wouldn't liberals turn on him? 

I thought launching a Tesla convertible in space with a spaceman in the driver's seat was one of the coolest things I'd ever seen a company do. Why should that prevent me from criticizing what Elon Musk has done since then?  
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I love the crazy way adoration turns in response to politcal bent. Criticize away...

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
Per your post in the Shed, you seem to find this crazy, hypocritical and unfair to Elon. Seems to be straight up choices and consequences to me. 
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You sure like to state what others "seem to find" with zero references. It is truly no skin off my nose either way. 

Again, I think the vitriol from the left...now but not then...is comical. And completely on brand. 

 
Personally, I don't really recall a time when 'the left' as a monolith was enamored with Musk and treated him as one of their own. I think liberal sentiments regarding him have always varied, and started to sour much earlier than his current persona has materialized. Either way, I don't see what's confusing or remarkable about people changing their minds about someone in response to that person's behavior and presented personality also changing. 

 
DevoHusker said:
You sure like to state what others "seem to find" with zero references. It is truly no skin off my nose either way. 

Again, I think the vitriol from the left...now but not then...is comical. And completely on brand. 
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Since this discussion stemmed from my comments.  To be clear, I have never liked Elon.  That goes way back to before he ever became political.  His actions with Tesla stock proved him to be an immature idiot when it comes to how to treat people and be a responsible leader.  Back then, other than his marketing to save the world from global warming, I didn't know squat about his politics and didn't care.

 
DevoHusker said:
You sure like to state what others "seem to find" with zero references. It is truly no skin off my nose either way. 

Again, I think the vitriol from the left...now but not then...is comical. And completely on brand. 
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I specifically pointed to the Stepfanie Tyler tweet you posted in the Shed to better explain yourself. 

And Stepfanie definitely had some fangirl takes on the subject, a bit comical in her own right. 

And again, why is it so hard to trace the Left's changing views on Musk to Musk's own specific actions? 

 
Lorewarn said:
Personally, I don't really recall a time when 'the left' as a monolith was enamored with Musk and treated him as one of their own. I think liberal sentiments regarding him have always varied, and started to sour much earlier than his current persona has materialized. Either way, I don't see what's confusing or remarkable about people changing their minds about someone in response to that person's behavior and presented personality also changing. 
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There was always the vibe that electric vehicles were a major green solution for the future, and Musk had done a lot to popularize them. So as with the Prius before him, Musk and Tesla were embraced among environment-friendly folks of all stripes (but mostly liberal) 

What's interesting is that a segment of the right has been treating everything "green" the way they did everything woke, and there has a backlash against EVs, especially when it comes to incentives and mandates. I saw a steady diet of anti-EV/pro-Internal Combustion Engine memes and conspiracy theories among Trump supporters during the election.

Will they turn on Elon if he pushes pro-EV policies he'll profit from? Or will they decide EVs aren't so bad if their new pal Elon says so? I'd give slight odds to the latter.

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
There was always the vibe that electric vehicles were a major green solution for the future, and Musk had done a lot to popularize them. So as with the Prius before him, Musk and Tesla were embraced among environment-friendly folks of all stripes (but mostly liberal) 

What's interesting is that a segment of the right has been treating everything "green" the way they did everything woke, and there has a backlash against EVs, especially when it comes to incentives and mandates. I saw a steady diet of anti-EV/pro-Internal Combustion Engine memes and conspiracy theories among Trump supporters during the election.

Will they turn on Elon if he pushes pro-EV policies he'll profit from? Or will they decide EVs aren't so bad if their new pal Elon says so? I'd give slight odds to the latter.
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Part of me thinks that Elon embraced Trump and the right just to sell more EVs, especially the Cybertruck.

 
Archy1221 said:
 But you shouldn’t treat people who write articles online the same as the rest of us.  Those people should get the dignity of being called the smart experts that they deserve.  Us mortals don’t deserve that. 
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Treating your gut feelings and selective data the same as Nicolas Leeman's 5,000 word investigative report goes to the very heart of the problem. 

Or maybe you don't believe in meritocracy. Is that it, comrade?  

 
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