Media Bias
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BigRedBuster
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He shouldn’t really try and fact checkers anything either. He’s quite often wrong.
funhusker
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"At six weeks of gestation, those valves don't exist," she explains. "The flickering that we're seeing on the ultrasound that early in the development of the pregnancy is actually electrical activity, and the sound that you 'hear' is actually manufactured by the ultrasound machine."
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/09/02/1033727679/fetal-heartbeat-isnt-a-medical-term-but-its-still-used-in-laws-on-abortion
I'm going to go with the OBGYN doctor that actually uses the equipment in question.
funhusker
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Here's another:
The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists also has said in a statement, “What is interpreted as a heartbeat in these bills is actually electrically-induced flickering of a portion of the fetal tissue that will become the heart as the embryo develops. Thus, ACOG does not use the term ‘heartbeat’ to describe these legislative bans on abortion because it is misleading language, out of step with the anatomical and clinical realities of that stage of pregnancy.”
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/07/when-are-heartbeats-audible-during-pregnancy/
The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists also has said in a statement, “What is interpreted as a heartbeat in these bills is actually electrically-induced flickering of a portion of the fetal tissue that will become the heart as the embryo develops. Thus, ACOG does not use the term ‘heartbeat’ to describe these legislative bans on abortion because it is misleading language, out of step with the anatomical and clinical realities of that stage of pregnancy.”
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/07/when-are-heartbeats-audible-during-pregnancy/
ZRod
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This is probably the stupidest argument of semantics I have ever seen in my life.
Technically an ultrasound machine could pick up electrical activity. Literally every electronic device can pickup electrical activity but it's just noise in the signal, and most devices do a good job of shielding from that. Also, I highly doubt fetal electrical signals would have enough power to be detected even if the device was poorly shielded.
Medically the heart isn't fully formed, so heartbeat seems like a bit of a misnomer. The tissue is generating electrical signals and (I assume because no one really spells it out) is pulsating. The pulsating is the "sound" (the tissue moving) that is picked up on the ultrasound, but again that's an interpretation of the signal, not the actual sound of a heartbeat.
Even later on when the heart is fully formed the ultrasound doesn't actually hear a heartbeat. The sound that is generated is the interpretation of the Doppler effect (this is the reason why cars, planes, etc. change pitch as they pass by you) as the ultrasound waves hit tissue moving towards and away from the transducer.
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It does when he knows what he’s talking about unlike Glenn Kessler.
NO SARCASM NEEDED.
knapplc
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Here's the whole thread:
Wait a second. Ponder this. It is beyond incredible. Trump was confused by the uniform of the Public Health Service and thought he was talking to a military officer who was advocating the bombing of Mexico. The American people found out about it in a book not the @nytimes
2/The book was written by the @nytimes WH correspondent. Why wasn’t that considered vital public information? It was and is. Who gets to decide the relative value of the information and its worth? Might that be the person who makes the most money while simultaneously promising to
3/ report the news of the day to the subscriber? Save the best news of the day for the book publisher? Sell movie rights? Negotiate mutually beneficial exclusives to “break news” that occurred years before and was known by the news org and reporter for just as long?
4/ A Member of Congress with a reputation for integrity believes she received a phone call from the President of the United States pretending to be a Washington Post reporter a day after Trump had attacked her deceased husband, American legend John Dingell? What? Say again ?
5/ The man who has the ability to launch nuclear weapons on his command is making insane phone calls from the Oval Office of the White House and that information was put on the shelf until later? Come again? Please @nytimes editors can we hear the journalistic integrity talk
6/ again? Just for fun? Outrageous. This is exactly why the truth and the lie stand equally in American society and trust has completely collapsed in the American media contributing mightily to a growing American political crisis. The American people deserve the truth.
7/ They shouldn’t have to wait for the book. It does raise the question. What else don’t we know that we should? What else was legitimate, urgent, news years ago that was stashed away for the self interest and enrichment of the reporter? American journalism is as corrupt as it
8/ was at the beginning of the 20th Century in the heyday of the Hearst Newspapers. The American people deserve clarity and truth from news organizations that promise it. The @nytimes just seems like another billion dollar company that says one thing and does another. That is a
8/ shame because within it are some of the best journalists in the world. Power often produces a cloistered arrogance and detachment from reality. Perhaps the best recent example in America would be the Catholic Bishops during the height of the sex abuse scandals. The obtuseness
9/ around the profound failure to protect the flock from the wolves offered many lessons around institutional decay, corruption and arrogance. It seems none of them reached the West Side of Manhattan. In the end it was the arrogance that eradicated credibility and trust. #
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Wait a second. Ponder this. It is beyond incredible. Trump was confused by the uniform of the Public Health Service and thought he was talking to a military officer who was advocating the bombing of Mexico. The American people found out about it in a book not the @nytimes
2/The book was written by the @nytimes WH correspondent. Why wasn’t that considered vital public information? It was and is. Who gets to decide the relative value of the information and its worth? Might that be the person who makes the most money while simultaneously promising to
3/ report the news of the day to the subscriber? Save the best news of the day for the book publisher? Sell movie rights? Negotiate mutually beneficial exclusives to “break news” that occurred years before and was known by the news org and reporter for just as long?
4/ A Member of Congress with a reputation for integrity believes she received a phone call from the President of the United States pretending to be a Washington Post reporter a day after Trump had attacked her deceased husband, American legend John Dingell? What? Say again ?
5/ The man who has the ability to launch nuclear weapons on his command is making insane phone calls from the Oval Office of the White House and that information was put on the shelf until later? Come again? Please @nytimes editors can we hear the journalistic integrity talk
6/ again? Just for fun? Outrageous. This is exactly why the truth and the lie stand equally in American society and trust has completely collapsed in the American media contributing mightily to a growing American political crisis. The American people deserve the truth.
7/ They shouldn’t have to wait for the book. It does raise the question. What else don’t we know that we should? What else was legitimate, urgent, news years ago that was stashed away for the self interest and enrichment of the reporter? American journalism is as corrupt as it
8/ was at the beginning of the 20th Century in the heyday of the Hearst Newspapers. The American people deserve clarity and truth from news organizations that promise it. The @nytimes just seems like another billion dollar company that says one thing and does another. That is a
8/ shame because within it are some of the best journalists in the world. Power often produces a cloistered arrogance and detachment from reality. Perhaps the best recent example in America would be the Catholic Bishops during the height of the sex abuse scandals. The obtuseness
9/ around the profound failure to protect the flock from the wolves offered many lessons around institutional decay, corruption and arrogance. It seems none of them reached the West Side of Manhattan. In the end it was the arrogance that eradicated credibility and trust. #
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BigRedBuster
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Guy Chamberlin
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Long before he became President and was merely a celebrity businessman, Donald Trump was known to call reporters and editors pretending to be a press agent with hot tidbits about Donald Trump's amazing life. He famously created and placed this scoop all by himself:
