Media Bias

So many errors here it’s not worth the time to correct for 6th or 7th time.  If someone is STILL holding onto to the Charlottesville hoax even in the face of liberal fact checkers agreeing it was a hoax, it’s a waste of time trying to set them straight. 


Sorry man. This is the very first time I've heard anyone call Charlottesville a "hoax." 

I just read the verbatim transcript from his Infrastructure speech, the one that still has "fine people on both sides" in it, which contains some less credible deflections and equivalences (it was all about the Robert E. Lee statue - and he was a great general), but also a couple good zingers from Trump about Thomas Jefferson owning slaves. If you like Trump, you'll have no trouble with his responses. But were the reporters wrong about Trump? Did they misrepresent how he really felt? 

It took me a few minutes to read that transcript, so I'm not worried about the time you might spend responding to the coverage itself. Then there's the longer, inarguable history of Donald Trump soliciting, excusing, and championing the same white supremacists he supposedly denounced in no uncertain terms. Feel free to address that, too. 

s#!t. This is just another "not worth the time" Archy rabbit hole, isn't it? 

I never learn. 

 
s#!t. This is just another "not worth the time" Archy rabbit hole, isn't it? 
You dug the rabbit hole my guy, with the inaccurate characterization of a statement made by Trump as you tried to debunk a Snopes fact check that sooooooo many left wing Journo’s agree with Snopes on.  
 

I get it though.   Things aren’t going well with Joe.  It’s tough times:( 

 
You dug the rabbit hole my guy, with the inaccurate characterization of a statement made by Trump as you tried to debunk a Snopes fact check that sooooooo many left wing Journo’s agree with Snopes on.  
 

I get it though.   Things aren’t going well with Joe.  It’s tough times:( 


One last attempt before I go hug a child and garden:

It's a straight up fact that Donald Trump denounced the white supremacists at Charlottesville 48 hours after the event. Snopes had that right. It's a matter of record that he followed that up with the "fine people on both sides" statement that softened some of the condemnation. Snopes notes -- correctly -- that Trump once again denounced neo-Nazi's and white supremacists in that exchange, but people mostly seized on the "fine people" sentence to discount it. Was that unfair? Did it mischaracterize Donald Trump? 

That same Snopes link has added a mea culpa that it was understood by all parties that the rally was organized and attended by prominent neo-Nazis and white supremacists, rendering Trump's "context" of peaceful folks who were simply appreciating Robert E. Lee a tad disingenuous. Trump ends by saying "so there are two sides to this country" as if that fact alleviates the concern. 

So I'm not saying Snopes is wrong. I'm merely saying the reporters weren't either. 

Because once you invite Nick Fuentes to dinner at Mar-a-Lago, that's the only f#&%ing context you need. 



Reporter: Mr. President, are you putting what you're calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?

Trump: I am not putting anybody on a moral plane, what I'm saying is this: You had a group on one side and a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and horrible and it was a horrible thing to watch, but there is another side. There was a group on this side, you can call them the left. You've just called them the left, that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that's the way it is.

Reporter: You said there was hatred and violence on both sides?

Trump: I do think there is blame — yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at, you look at both sides. I think there's blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don't have any doubt about it either. And, and, and, and if you reported it accurately, you would say.

Reporter: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.

Trump: Excuse me, they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group — excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures as you did — you had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name. George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status, are we gonna take down — excuse me — are we gonna take down statues of George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him? Okay good. Are we gonna take down the statue? Cause he was a major slaveowner. Now are we gonna take down his statue? So you know what? It's fine. You're changing history, you're changing culture, and you had people — and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits, and with the helmets, and the baseball bats, you got a lot of bad people in the other group too.

Reporter: I'm sorry sir, I didn't understand what you were saying, you were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I don't understand what you're saying.

Trump: No, no. There were people in that rally — and I looked the night before — if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I'm sure in that group there was some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people. Neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you wanna call them. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest — and very legally protest — because I don't know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn't have a permit. So I only tell you this, there are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country. A horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country.



 
That same Snopes link has added a mea culpa that it was understood by all parties that the rally was organized and attended by prominent neo-Nazis and white supremacists, rendering Trump's "context" of peaceful folks who were simply appreciating Robert E. Lee a tad disingenuous. Trump ends by saying "so there are two sides to this country" as if that fact alleviates the concern. 
It was also attended by, as you and everyone else knows, people who were white supremacists and others who merely wanted to see the preservation of statues that had been up for quite some time.   Now, you can debate whether that is worthwhile endeavor, but you can’t debate the fact there were plenty of people attending the rally to keep historical statues in place.  It’s those people, as we all know, who Trump was talking about.  Non-white national Pro statue folks and anti-statue folks.  

 
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It was also attended by, as you and everyone else knows, people who were white supremacists and merely wanted to see the preservation of statues that had been up for quite some time.   Now, you can debate whether that is worthwhile endeavor, but you can’t debate the fact there were plenty of people attending the rally to keep historical statues in place.  It’s those people, as we all know, who Trump was talking about.  Non-white national Pro statue folks and anti-statue folks.  


And the silly media focusing on the column of white supremacists marching through the streets with torches, chanting "Jews will not replace us." They were simply the people who organized the whole thing. That really took a lot of attention away from the bystander white supremacists who showed up merely to support the Confederacy and its symbols. Not sure where you get "non-white national Pro statue folks" but you've already tied yourself in knots on this. 

One thing that's not debatable is that Donald Trump invited Nick Fuentes to be his guest at Mar-a-Lago, a choice Trump made that pretty much closes the book on his leanings. 

 
That really took a lot of attention away from the bystander white supremacists who showed up merely to support the Confederacy and its symbols. Not sure where you get "non-white national Pro statue folks" but you've already tied yourself in knots on this. 
Not really sure what you mean here.    There were people at the protest who certainly were white nationalists promoting a cause, there were also folks who were not white nationalists or racist who were protesting the taking down of statues, and there were also counter protesters who were wanting the statues taken down.   It’s been widely acknowledged by almost everyone but the hardcore Left, that Trumps “fine people on both sides” meant the people who were not racist yet wanted to preserve the statutes and fine people counter protesting that stance.   He wasn’t taking about the racists or the radicals on the Left.

Why do you refuse to understand what just about everyone else does?  Even left fact checking sites like Snopes or ex-Democrat aides/now journalists like Jake Tapper??

 
Not really sure what you mean here.    There were people at the protest who certainly were white nationalists promoting a cause, there were also folks who were not white nationalists or racist who were protesting the taking down of statues, and there were also counter protesters who were wanting the statues taken down.   It’s been widely acknowledged by almost everyone but the hardcore Left, that Trumps “fine people on both sides” meant the people who were not racist yet wanted to preserve the statutes and fine people counter protesting that stance.   He wasn’t taking about the racists or the radicals on the Left.

Why do you refuse to understand what just about everyone else does?  Even left fact checking sites like Snopes or ex-Democrat aides/now journalists like Jake Tapper??


Because there are a couple different questions here. Did Donald Trump refuse to condemn neo-Nazis and white supremacists, and instead say "there are fine people on both sides?" No. And that's where Snopes begins and ends: Donald Trump directly condemned neo-Nazis and white supremacists, while at the same time conferring legitimacy to the people who simply didn't want Confederate statues removed. Not denying that. Good for you, Snopes.  

Can you support the public honoring of Confederate heroes without a healthy dose of white supremacy involved? That's a separate question, but a good question and part of the larger debate.

But as you'll note throughout that same transcript, there are multiple attempts by Trump to create an equivalency between people who at best support Confederate heritage and at worst are neo-Nazis, and the people who would show up to protest the self-identified white supremacists who organized the protest and marched the street with torches.

That false equivalency -- a trademark in all Trump POVs -- is where people took issue. Trump says a lot of s#!t, and anything vaguely diplomatic was probably written for him. At heart, would he disavow the neo-Nazis and white nationalists who have continually promised to have his back, violently if need be?

So Jake Tapper and Snopes aside, I just have two questions for you: why would Donald Trump invite Nick Fuentes to dinner at Mar-a-Lago, and what do you think they talked about? 

 
So Jake Tapper and Snopes aside, I just have two questions for you: why would Donald Trump invite Nick Fuentes to dinner at Mar-a-Lago, and what do you think they talked about? 
I really don’t know why he would be in the same proximity as that person and it was a huge mistake to have that person anywhere close to a Presidential candidate and Trump deserves all the ridicule he gets for it.   

 
I really don’t know why he would be in the same proximity as that person and it was a huge mistake to have that person anywhere close to a Presidential candidate and Trump deserves all the ridicule he gets for it.   


Right. So while I'm not going to argue media bias, I'm simply saying the reporters are not wrong for pushing back on Trump's history of mixed messages to white supremacists. It's probably a lot of things, but Charlottesville hardly rises to the level of hoax. 

 
Wasn't Kanye West at the same dinner? If so, how does that fit the narrative?


Kayne brought Nick with him. You'd have to ask Kanye and Nick how they navigate the white supremacist stuff. Mostly they bonded over anti-semitism and Trump. It was stupid to have Kanye to dinner, too. 

As both a politician and a narcissist, Trump can't distance himself from the people who praise him. And white nationalists just love the man. 

 
If you are a white power dork or a pro-pally dork you are not a nice person, you are a piece of garbage and you need to be beaten with a rubber hose.   This is not hard.

Imagine saying "there are nice people at those Pro-Pally Protests". Nope.

 
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Right. So while I'm not going to argue media bias, I'm simply saying the reporters are not wrong for pushing back on Trump's history of mixed messages to white supremacists. It's probably a lot of things, but Charlottesville hardly rises to the level of hoax. 
Trump certainly needs to answer for things like Fuentes but make no mistake, Charlottesville “both sides” was a media hoax 

 
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