Meet the Bag Men

[HuskerNBigD]

I'll go ahead and say it, I believe we're at a point in time where having a bag man, or handler, is just the norm. Whether it is right or wrong is another debate and one that I really don't want to delve into, but if we're to be competitive in the recruiting process we need to be willing to play the game.

 

[BigPeterJ]

I'll go ahead and say it, I believe we're at a point in time where having a bag man, or handler, is just the norm. Whether it is right or wrong is another debate and one that I really don't want to delve into, but if we're to be competitive in the recruiting process we need to be willing to play the game.

I dont think recruiting has been our problem.  Despite not winning anything of national significance in 15 years, we consistently pull higher sought after recruits than anyone in our division.  Start winning, and we will get a few more studs.  We already get enough that we should be winning our division half the time.

 

[Atbone95]

I'll go ahead and say it, I believe we're at a point in time where having a bag man, or handler, is just the norm. Whether it is right or wrong is another debate and one that I really don't want to delve into, but if we're to be competitive in the recruiting process we need to be willing to play the game.

No

 

[dubsker]

So we’re talking 25-35 5 stars each year and overall about 350-400 4 and 5 stars combined.. the fact that someone would think that these top tier kids and their family’s aren’t offered some sort of incentive is insane! 
 

I have ties to Salpointe Catholic in AZ. They pay families and/or offer housing so their kids can commute/ attend the private school. This school has produced many 3-5 star kids including 2020 5star rb bijan Robinson signed to Texas. He was recruited and paid as a middle schooler to attend this HS.

So the thought that the top 350 kids nationwide aren’t offered something to play for a big time college program is absolutely insane. Doesn’t mean they all take it but there are 100% cash bribes, job offers to “work” and get paid way above average salary, relocation incentives, donations to family businesses, etc. Bag men doesn’t just mean these kids get bags of cash but the top kids are bribed in some fashion for sure

Thank you for actually reading the article and clearly understanding that in the context of the post, bag man is a catch all/umbrella term that doesn't just mean 'bags of cash.'  The article even says that.  Sometimes the kid is so poor that any money at all is a giant red flag and a different touch is required.  

 

[HuskerNBigD]

I dont think recruiting has been our problem.  Despite not winning anything of national significance in 15 years, we consistently pull higher sought after recruits than anyone in our division.  Start winning, and we will get a few more studs.  We already get enough that we should be winning our division half the time.

While I don't think we've had issues recruiting for a divisional title, I was thinking a bit more ambitiously (conference and national title contender). I'd agree we have the talent to win the West, just need development and fine-tuning of coaching, both of which are definitely obtainable.

 

[BigPeterJ]

While I don't think we've had issues recruiting for a divisional title, I was thinking a bit more ambitiously (conference and national title contender). I'd agree we have the talent to win the West, just need development and fine-tuning of coaching, both of which are definitely obtainable.

I understand where your coming from.  But i think if we were winning on the level of Wisconsin or even Iowa lately, which we should have been doing based on the recruiting ability we already have, we would be recruiting in the 10-20 range instead of the 17-30 range.  Bo wasnt big into recruiting and still got 25ish ranked classes.  Scott has been getting 17-20 ranked classes at a program not making bowl games and is nationally irrelevant at the moment.  If we went 8-4 the last 3 years i bet his classes would have been ranked around 12-15 instead of 17-22. 

To your point i guess upping the bagman game could move us even higher, but then we're Ole Miss...

Also if this program takes off like Scott thinks it will, and we're all of a sudden a playoff contender and getting top 5-10 classes in the middle of the northern plains, that will attract alot of attention, and eventually we would be caught if we're doing a high level of that kinda stuff

 

[dubsker]

I understand where your coming from.  But i think if we were winning on the level of Wisconsin or even Iowa lately, which we should have been doing based on the recruiting ability we already have, we would be recruiting in the 10-20 range instead of the 17-30 range.  Bo wasnt big into recruiting and still got 25ish ranked classes.  Scott has been getting 17-20 ranked classes at a program not making bowl games and is nationally irrelevant at the moment.  If we went 8-4 the last 3 years i bet his classes would have been ranked around 12-15 instead of 17-22. 

To your point i guess upping the bagman game could move us even higher, but then we're Ole Miss...

Also if this program takes off like Scott thinks it will, and we're all of a sudden a playoff contender and getting top 5-10 classes in the middle of the northern plains, that will attract alot of attention, and eventually we would be caught if we're doing a high level of that kinda stuff

It is a lot easier to get away with this stuff in places where the talent actually comes from.   Then, it just becomes a matter of taking care of mom and dad.   A job, whatever.    Stuff that’s impossible to prove.

Edit:   One of the things I found interesting about the article is that it disputes the notion that players were just opening up envelopes of cash after games at Oklahoma State like was alleged.   That sort of thing is too obvious.   
 

The same Oklahoma State team where it was alleged student “hostesses” were being very, uh, friendly with recruits.

 

[dubsker]

Joe Burrow confirmed OBJ was handing out actual cash, that was funny and awesome.  NCAA can’t do s#!t if you don’t talk.

 

[Throw Dem Bones]

Joe Burrow conformed OBJ was handing out actual cash, that was funny and awesome.  NCAA can’t do s#!t if you don’t talk.

Burrow didn't need to confirm s#!t.. OBJ was doing that on TV in front of tons of cameras and reporters.

It will be real interesting to see what/ if anything the NCAA does about this. May need to "give the money to charity"  :lol:

 

[dubsker]

Burrow didn't need to confirm s#!t.. OBJ was doing that on TV in front of tons of cameras and reporters.

It will be real interesting to see what/ if anything the NCAA does about this. May need to "give the money to charity"  :lol:

I recall that was our self-imposed punishment for giving student-athletes optional textbooks.  Too funny.

Here is where you get John Blake going off the radar and coming back with highly rated recruits.  That's my understanding as well, that Hugh Freeze is an idiot who got caught because he crossed too many lines.  An RB/WR/DB coach is the highest level that any of the conversations should take place in connection to your program, if any.

2) A booster doesn't need any connection to the football program to pay a kid. All he needs to know is if a kid is in town on a visit (and he can easily find this out online now) and he can magically " bump" into him. If a coach on staff is needed for help it's a GA or a position coach at the highest. 

 

[WyoHusker56]

Burrow didn't need to confirm s#!t.. OBJ was doing that on TV in front of tons of cameras and reporters.

It will be real interesting to see what/ if anything the NCAA does about this. May need to "give the money to charity"  :lol:

I bet the LSU compliance office is having a nightmare of a week with the smoking/money/etc.

 

[dubsker]

I was told here by some people that didn't read the article that cheating is cheating and will stop when it's reported.

We're still waiting and it was on national television.  But I guess I'm just a flat earther for believing in incentive.

 

[TonyStalloni]

There are ways to pay a young man and his family for attending a university.  He can be told that every week/month while he is enrolled he and his family/mother will receive a debit card with $100/$250/$500 loaded on it.  Let it arrive in the mail with no return address.  

 

[dubsker]

There are ways to pay a young man and his family for attending a university.  He can be told that every week/month while he is enrolled he and his family/mother will receive a debit card with $100/$250/$500 loaded on it.  Let it arrive in the mail with no return address.  

Yep.  Pretty hard to prove that s#!t, and what kind of person is going to rat someone out for taking care of his mom?