Michigan and Harbaugh under NCAA investigation

nic said:
All this time I thought he bought the kids a cheeseburger. It turns out he bought himself a cheeseburger ...for breakfast no less. He's a weird dude. After reading the article it seems like his 4 years show cause is about his lawyer pissing off the NCAA and Harbaugh refusing to admit he lied about meeting kids for breakfast.  :cowbell:

The NCAA likes to be taken seriously.
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Yes, if you continue to ignore the other stuff, that's pretty much it.

 
RedDenver said:
So we agree that the sign stealing during the game is a red herring, and Michigan cheated by advanced scouting including stealing signs as part of that cheating.
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Signal stealing is also legal from tapes provided by other teams, videos on YouTube, Facebook, telecasts, prior seasons, you name it...however you cannot get them by showing up in person at a game before you play them in the same year. I am uncertain as to whether a team can film the other sideline during a game to get the signals. Heck, apparently a team can even give the signals they stole from you to your future opponents.

 
Mavric said:
Yes, if you continue to ignore the other stuff, that's pretty much it.
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I was only commenting on the part that got Harbaugh a 4 year show cause because that was in the news. Other coaches saw kids as well and there was some coaching by 'analysts'. I already commenting on that because it's legal now, so I guess not that big of a deal. 

 
RedDenver said:
This right here is how Michigan cheated. Michigan cheated and got caught. The rest of what you're saying is beside the point.
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Connor Stalions broke the rules. We will find out who else knew anything in about a year at the NCAA's pace. I am glad we agree that sign stealing by itself was not the problem. 

 
Mavric said:
Do you think if you keep posting examples of people doing legal things over and over that you'll get everyone to forget that what Michigan was doing was illegal?
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I am ready for this to end.  I hate distractions to college football.  Unfortunately this will be ongoing for a long, long time.

 
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Stallions taking after Jimmy and just lying to everyone he can find.

An NCAA investigator asks Stalions if he ever directed anyone to attend a game in which Michigan wasn't competing. "No, I don't ever recall directing anyone to go to a game," he responds.

Records provided to ESPN by several Big Ten schools -- and from some outside the conference -- showed Stalions purchased tickets for multiple games involving future opponents. Stalions told NCAA investigators that he frequently purchased tickets to many games and would either resell tickets or transfer them to friends. Michigan suspended Stalions with pay on Oct. 20, pending the outcome of its internal investigation. He resigned Nov. 3.

In the documentary, Stalions tells the NCAA that "there are some people who attended games using tickets that I purchased and recorded parts of those games." Stalions tells investigators that he didn't recall who recorded the games but would receive film from some of them. Zachary Couzens, a friend of Stalions and fellow Marine, says in the documentary that he used Stalions' tickets for several games but that there is "no evidence" of him taking video or pictures.
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An NCAA investigator asks Stalions whether he was the man standing in Central Michigan's bench area, wearing team-issued gear and sunglasses, for the 2023 season opener at Michigan State, which took place the night before Michigan's first game in Ann Arbor. Stalions replies that he didn't recall attending a specific game, although Barstool Sports founder Dave Portnoy says in the documentary that Stalions admitted to him being on the Central Michigan sideline. Central Michigan has told ESPN it continues to cooperate with the ongoing NCAA investigation.
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Mavric said:
Do you think if you keep posting examples of people doing legal things over and over that you'll get everyone to forget that what Michigan was doing was illegal?
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Nope. I am just poking the bear.  The Big Ten and the coaches acted all upset that Michigan was stealing signs, as if they were not. That is a bit hypocritical. Let's not get all righteous about stealing signs.

If the narrative was about advanced scouting that's legit, but even that rule is subject to interpretation. It seems like Stallions was on the sideline for MSU vs CMU, which is absolutely a violation. I am not sure why CMU still can't prove he was there. Paying scouts is the other issue. If they were not paid would it be legal? If they are Joe Schmo off the street with an iPhone are they a scout? I am sure it won't matter.

 
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