Moiraine

Bans and suspensions are not the only tool in our toolbox, and I think everyone here uses them appropriately. If she wants to go, then go. Her threat to leave the board has no bearing on whether she should follow board rules. Heck, that decision can be made for her.

I personally can't get on board with a member violating board rules, being told they violated the rules, and being dismissive of said violation. If she doesn't like teach, ignore him, report him, or get over it.

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She's back at it again, being argumentative. I'm trying to get the Ahman Green thread back on track and she's beginning to get argumentative with me. If she continues down that path I'm not willing to put up with that and she'll most likely end up with a ban.

 
Aw, please don't ban Moiraine! I haven't read that thread all the way through. But it's certainly become a giant referendum on parenting philosophy. Not sure why people get so touchy about this.

 
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Aw, please don't ban Moiraine! I haven't read that thread all the way through. But it's certainly become a giant referendum on parenting philosophy. Not sure why people get so touchy about this.
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Let me change that, I didn't mean ban, I meant suspension. She needs to learn to let some things go and quit coming across so argumentative. She also needs to learn that getting argumentative with a mod in the main football forum probably isn't a good look. She very easily could've PM'd me.

 
*sigh*

I'm not sure what's gotten into her lately, but I am growing increasingly tired of Moiraine's antics. Like this: LINK. And then her over-the-top responses to me: LINK1 , LINK2

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Do we let a poster nominate a Mod to the DBHOF for pointing out what appears to be a sarcastic, rude response to another poster? Is this where we rein her in?

 
Okay, so after the little thing described in my post above moved about half a dozen posts into the Shed so as not to derail the Taylor Martinez thread. I put a LINK in the TM thread so posters could continue to discuss if they wanted--without derailing the thread. About two minutes later Moiraine reposts the original post of hers that started all this back into the TM thread. LINK ((EDIT: A few minutes later Moiraine edited her repost to change it into a little joke.)) It's like she is asking for a vacation.

Do we continue to cut her slack because she is one of the popular kids? I am soliciting other Mod input here.

 
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Honestly, it's just something that needs let go. Not that I disagree with you at all. Moiraine has a tendency to get pretty wound up and high-and-mighty. I thought that post was kind of out there and really wasn't necessary but probably really wasn't breaking any rules.

And I see others are kind of pushing back. To some extent they have a point - that one post probably wasn't a lot. But I know you're looking at a bigger picture which they don't care about. And I don't care for knapp's self-righteous attitude on the whole thing. He reports about as much stuff as anyone but I don't recall him ever reporting whatever posts directed at Moiraine he's referring to.

Sometimes I just have to look the other way for a bit and ignore the little dust up until it blows over and go on with things. That's probably the route I'd go on this as well.

Perhaps if something like this comes up again it could just be moved to a tangent thread instead of into the 'Shed?
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Honestly, I thought it was a fairly harmless comment. But she's also one of the people who's been bitching about me moving the politics stuff into it's own woodshed thread, so IDK. And I think that's where her issue with moving it was directed towards.

Edit: You also put it on the DB politics thread, so, yeah.... might wanna fix that.

 
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Eh, I don't think it's enough to warrant a ban or suspension at this point. If she keeps trying to derail that thread or talk about it in the main football forum then we deal with that.

 
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Honestly, it's just something that needs let go. Not that I disagree with you at all. Moiraine has a tendency to get pretty wound up and high-and-mighty. I thought that post was kind of out there and really wasn't necessary but probably really wasn't breaking any rules.

And I see others are kind of pushing back. To some extent they have a point - that one post probably wasn't a lot. But I know you're looking at a bigger picture which they don't care about. And I don't care for knapp's self-righteous attitude on the whole thing. He reports about as much stuff as anyone but I don't recall him ever reporting whatever posts directed at Moiraine he's referring to.

Sometimes I just have to look the other way for a bit and ignore the little dust up until it blows over and go on with things. That's probably the route I'd go on this as well.

Perhaps if something like this comes up again it could just be moved to a tangent thread instead of into the 'Shed?
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I noticed that as well, I chuckled a little when he brought up the whole power thing. If Lance can't direct the board's conversation it drives him nuts so it seems like he has an issue with the whole power thing.

 
I hesitate to post so fly-by, but this seems it turned into a bit of a blow up. I'll offer two things:

- Calling NUance a douche is the douchiest of douche moves. Not a more affable guy on this planet.

- I don't think Moiraine's original post here was intended to be a barb.

- I can also see how it can be interpreted that way. Kind of an oddly orthogonal response to skersfan's sentiments.

- NUance's response post to Moiraine seemed pretty fair.

- I agree with Mavric on this being something where the best result is everyone letting it go.

Lastly I do worry a little bit about our discussions of posters here. They're generally unaware of it when their names come up, but often our discussions have the effect of putting them on all our radar's -- and when someone is on our radar it's both easy and rational to interpret something little as another instance of them flying off the handle. Anyway, I don't disagree with the points people have made about knapp or Moiraine, but I do think they are some of the least trouble-causing posters we have here and perhaps that's a context worth emphasizing.

For example, I think Polo's antics were emphasized a little larger than they perhaps deserved (by virtue of repetition of our mod discussions about him, in part), and I recall making a criticism of knapp in the Woodshed that seemed logical and consistent to me but for him was completely out of left field. I'd still agree with whatever it was I said, probably, but it's a case where my public response was both a non sequitur and something that fairly caused some bad feelings and an unproductive reaction from him.

I wish people such as Moiraine and StPaul (very different cases, btw) wouldn't harbor memories of their past suspensions so deeply. People remember these like wounds, though. In some cases people are better members when we let little things go with a warning. In other cases not. It's hard to know where to draw the line. I'd rather let small things go and if they do build up to a point where it gets to be a BIG OBVIOUS PROBLEM, that makes it all the more easy to eventually hand out a serious suspension -- but that's my preference.

 
Well said, zoogs. I would agree to everything you said.

I would like to add some contrast. While HB members may view posts individually and make judgements about whether each post warrants scrutiny, we, as mods, also take into context member history (particularly recent history). I, and others, have given warnings, moved posts, and sent PMs based on posts that individually are a bit off-handed (though not blatantly offensive) but represent the preverbal "straw that broke the camels back". I am not saying that is what happened here, but I do think it is a needed exercise in policing the board. In these cases, I think creation of these types of mod review threads to generate a discussion about the appropriate level of disciplinary action provides the best perspective as opposed to any one of us trying to make the difficult decision of when "enough is enough".

 
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