Nathan Gerry

[JJ Husker]

This back and forth is hysterical.

Has anyone figured out that they don't have to be mutually exclusive?

Banker's scheme was weak AND some of the players had not bought in and/or were more suited to the prior regime's system.

It's not rocket science fellas. We've sucked for more than one reason for a long time and IMO Nate Gerry's play was not at the forefront of reasons why.

BTW, if I recall correctly, what Gerry actually said was that some of the players had not bought in. He didn't say he had not bought in or that he wasn't playing as hard as he could. So get your facts straight if you're going to use your faulty recollection to throw players under the bus.

Fair points^All I can say about Gerry is I enjoyed watching him play here. I thought he was really good, but I thought he could have been better. He proved that theory by making himself ineligible due to lack effort. He was the only Husker drafted this year, that says a lot about his potential that I believe he never reached here.

I agree, I felt he could've been better also. There were instances where I thought he could've/should've made the play and he didn't. Some of those appeared to be effort whiffs and some were likely scheme flaws. But there were many others where he made great plays. It's probably hard to be optimum all the time when the whole unit is struggling and there are apparent scheme problems (which I'm sure the players sensed just like we did). I just didn't get the sense Nate was a Pelini holdout (I could be wrong) but, to some degree, it would be hard to "buy in" to the Banker scheme. I sure didn't. To answer teach's question- there are different kinds of buy in issues. The most critical ones were the guys pining away for Pelini. The unavoidable ones were a result of recognizing that the coaches weren't putting you in a position to succeed.

I like Gerry but I was disappointed in his commitment at times to remain eligible. But, as the draft showed us, he was maybe the best D player we had so that speaks volumes about the rest of our talent, effort and the scheme.

 

[Mavric]

Look...it's great that you want to argue for your point...the problem is THERE IS NO PROOF that it's valid. The only thing we have that is valid is Gerry saying, in print, that players weren't buying in. So please, stop arguing things that cannot be proven.

No, that's not the only thing we have. You have one comment. But are ignoring the vast majority of what happened during 24 games including him being in on 153 tackles, making 8 interceptions, being named to All-Conference teams, being graded by Pro Football Focus as one of the best safeties in the country and being drafted by the NFL. Those are all things that can be proven.

Now, if you'd like to argue that he was actually trying to be bad while basically leading the team in tackles and interceptions and accumulating those awards and recognitions, I guess you can try to do that. But that's a lot of really good things to happen to a guy who supposedly wasn't trying.

So there are really only three options that I can see. Feel free to try to prove the one you like or another you'd like to offer.

- Gerry is so good that he was still probably our best defender - and one of the best safeties in the conference and the country - despite not going all out and trying to sabotage the coaches.

- That one comment is being blown significantly out of proportion.

- Gerry really sucks at trying to be bad.

 

[Mavric]

By the way, since you're into that sort of thing:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking

 

[Huskerchussetts]

Hey remember that one time When Gerry was trying to suck bc he didn't buy in and picked two passes off to kill badger drives?

I think his not buying in comment could be taken as calling out teammates for not putting in the best effort, posibly two d line teammates. That's how it could be perceived.

If the kid didn't buy he had two pretty good seasons for not doing so and wish we could see what he would be done if he had

 

[Saunders]

Criticizing players is one thing, but calling one of them 'Charmin' and then referencing yet-to-be-verified quotes is going to draw some ire, MC.

Yes. And let's please not have P&R friction boiling over into football talk. Be mindful to disagree with posts, not posters here. Thanks

Echoing this. Keep it civil, and the P&R talk in the proper forum.

 

[Saunders]

This back and forth is hysterical.

Has anyone figured out that they don't have to be mutually exclusive?

Banker's scheme was weak AND some of the players had not bought in and/or were more suited to the prior regime's system.

It's not rocket science fellas. We've sucked for more than one reason for a long time and IMO Nate Gerry's play was not at the forefront of reasons why.

BTW, if I recall correctly, what Gerry actually said was that some of the players had not bought in. He didn't say he had not bought in or that he wasn't playing as hard as he could. So get your facts straight if you're going to use your faulty recollection to throw players under the bus.

Bingo. Guys didn't buy in, and the scheme sucked. Could the latter have caused the former? Who knows, it's possible. Remember, VV, Collins, and McMullen all left early, partially because of they weren't fans of their coaches.

"I don't badmouth anybody. But I have never talked to him. I've seen him, tried to speak to him. Nothing ever really resonated. Coach John Parrella has been there a few weeks, and we probably talked six, seven, eight times over the last few weeks. Same with Coach Riley. Coach Banker has been there over a year, and I never even saw him, never received a text, a call, anything.


"I'm an adult. I don't really get hurt about too many things, especially not if someone isn't reaching out. To me personally, it's more that it would be nice for a defensive coordinator to at least show some appreciation or level of respect for an individual."
http://www.omaha.com/huskers/tbl-inner-struggles-led-to-greg-mcmullen-s-decision-to/article_5a223622-080e-11e6-8893-f7d0ed63d783.html

The kids have to be receptive, but as a coach, you also have to do everything in your power to make the connection to these guys.

 

[Redux]

Hey remember that one time When Gerry was trying to suck bc he didn't buy in and picked two passes off to kill badger drives?

I think his not buying in comment could be taken as calling out teammates for not putting in the best effort, posibly two d line teammates. That's how it could be perceived.

If the kid didn't buy he had two pretty good seasons for not doing so and wish we could see what he would be done if he had

Yes he made a lot of great plays, that's why I was a fan of him.

But like you said he had 2 pretty good seasons that could have been great had his efforts in the classroom been better. There's no real reason he should have missed any game time last year, other than a bullsh#t targeting call.

And to El Diaco's resposnse, I don't think he was exactly a Pelini holdout, but he used that mentality as an excuse. Word is he had the same tude when Pelini was coach.

 

[Saunders]

Hey remember that one time When Gerry was trying to suck bc he didn't buy in and picked two passes off to kill badger drives?

I think his not buying in comment could be taken as calling out teammates for not putting in the best effort, posibly two d line teammates. That's how it could be perceived.

If the kid didn't buy he had two pretty good seasons for not doing so and wish we could see what he would be done if he had

Yes he made a lot of great plays, that's why I was a fan of him.

But like you said he had 2 pretty good seasons that could have been great had his efforts in the classroom been better. There's no real reason he should have missed any game time last year, other than a bullsh#t targeting call.

And to El Diaco's resposnse, I don't think he was exactly a Pelini holdout, but he used that mentality as an excuse. Word is he had the same tude when Pelini was coach.

And the problem I have with that is that as a coach, if it's really that bad, you tell them that they have a choice to make, and if they don't correct it, you bench them. You cannot allow the inmates to run the asylum.

It's anecdotal, but we had to do that with a kid on my son's baseball team this year early in the season.

 

[teachercd]

Hey remember that one time When Gerry was trying to suck bc he didn't buy in and picked two passes off to kill badger drives?

I think his not buying in comment could be taken as calling out teammates for not putting in the best effort, posibly two d line teammates. That's how it could be perceived.

If the kid didn't buy he had two pretty good seasons for not doing so and wish we could see what he would be done if he had

Yes he made a lot of great plays, that's why I was a fan of him.

But like you said he had 2 pretty good seasons that could have been great had his efforts in the classroom been better. There's no real reason he should have missed any game time last year, other than a bullsh#t targeting call.

And to El Diaco's resposnse, I don't think he was exactly a Pelini holdout, but he used that mentality as an excuse. Word is he had the same tude when Pelini was coach.

And the problem I have with that is that as a coach, if it's really that bad, you tell them that they have a choice to make, and if they don't correct it, you bench them. You cannot allow the inmates to run the asylum.

It's anecdotal, but we had to do that with a kid on my son's baseball team this year early in the season.

Yep...which means either...

1. The coaches did not think that Gerry was sabotaging the team and not trying.

or

2. The coaches (a staff with over 60 years of coaching experience) somehow didn't notice that Gerry was hurting the team on purpose.

Hmmm

 

[Saunders]

Hey remember that one time When Gerry was trying to suck bc he didn't buy in and picked two passes off to kill badger drives?

I think his not buying in comment could be taken as calling out teammates for not putting in the best effort, posibly two d line teammates. That's how it could be perceived.

If the kid didn't buy he had two pretty good seasons for not doing so and wish we could see what he would be done if he had

Yes he made a lot of great plays, that's why I was a fan of him.

But like you said he had 2 pretty good seasons that could have been great had his efforts in the classroom been better. There's no real reason he should have missed any game time last year, other than a bullsh#t targeting call.

And to El Diaco's resposnse, I don't think he was exactly a Pelini holdout, but he used that mentality as an excuse. Word is he had the same tude when Pelini was coach.

And the problem I have with that is that as a coach, if it's really that bad, you tell them that they have a choice to make, and if they don't correct it, you bench them. You cannot allow the inmates to run the asylum.

It's anecdotal, but we had to do that with a kid on my son's baseball team this year early in the season.

Yep...which means either...

1. The coaches did not think that Gerry was sabotaging the team and not trying.

or

2. The coaches (a staff with over 60 years of coaching experience) somehow didn't notice that Gerry was hurting the team on purpose.

Hmmm

Or...

3. They saw it, and didn't do anything about it.

 

[Redux]

Hey remember that one time When Gerry was trying to suck bc he didn't buy in and picked two passes off to kill badger drives?

I think his not buying in comment could be taken as calling out teammates for not putting in the best effort, posibly two d line teammates. That's how it could be perceived.

If the kid didn't buy he had two pretty good seasons for not doing so and wish we could see what he would be done if he had

Yes he made a lot of great plays, that's why I was a fan of him.But like you said he had 2 pretty good seasons that could have been great had his efforts in the classroom been better. There's no real reason he should have missed any game time last year, other than a bullsh#t targeting call.And to El Diaco's resposnse, I don't think he was exactly a Pelini holdout, but he used that mentality as an excuse. Word is he had the same tude when Pelini was coach.

And the problem I have with that is that as a coach, if it's really that bad, you tell them that they have a choice to make, and if they don't correct it, you bench them. You cannot allow the inmates to run the asylum.
It's anecdotal, but we had to do that with a kid on my son's baseball team this year early in the season.

Yep...which means either...1. The coaches did not think that Gerry was sabotaging the team and not trying.

or

2. The coaches (a staff with over 60 years of coaching experience) somehow didn't notice that Gerry was hurting the team on purpose.

Hmmm

Or...
3. They saw it, and didn't do anything about it.

4. It's just a small character flaw and his lack of effort academically is unrelated AND benching one of the best players on defense, even when not giving 100% would be a bad deal.

 

[Saunders]

Hey remember that one time When Gerry was trying to suck bc he didn't buy in and picked two passes off to kill badger drives?

I think his not buying in comment could be taken as calling out teammates for not putting in the best effort, posibly two d line teammates. That's how it could be perceived.

If the kid didn't buy he had two pretty good seasons for not doing so and wish we could see what he would be done if he had

Yes he made a lot of great plays, that's why I was a fan of him.But like you said he had 2 pretty good seasons that could have been great had his efforts in the classroom been better. There's no real reason he should have missed any game time last year, other than a bullsh#t targeting call.And to El Diaco's resposnse, I don't think he was exactly a Pelini holdout, but he used that mentality as an excuse. Word is he had the same tude when Pelini was coach.

And the problem I have with that is that as a coach, if it's really that bad, you tell them that they have a choice to make, and if they don't correct it, you bench them. You cannot allow the inmates to run the asylum.
It's anecdotal, but we had to do that with a kid on my son's baseball team this year early in the season.

Yep...which means either...1. The coaches did not think that Gerry was sabotaging the team and not trying.

or

2. The coaches (a staff with over 60 years of coaching experience) somehow didn't notice that Gerry was hurting the team on purpose.

Hmmm

Or...
3. They saw it, and didn't do anything about it.

4. It's just a small character flaw and his lack of effort academically is unrelated AND benching one of the best players on defense, even when not giving 100% would be a bad deal.

Which really is back to #1. Which is kinda what I think.

 

[teachercd]

Hey remember that one time When Gerry was trying to suck bc he didn't buy in and picked two passes off to kill badger drives?

I think his not buying in comment could be taken as calling out teammates for not putting in the best effort, posibly two d line teammates. That's how it could be perceived.

If the kid didn't buy he had two pretty good seasons for not doing so and wish we could see what he would be done if he had

Yes he made a lot of great plays, that's why I was a fan of him.But like you said he had 2 pretty good seasons that could have been great had his efforts in the classroom been better. There's no real reason he should have missed any game time last year, other than a bullsh#t targeting call.And to El Diaco's resposnse, I don't think he was exactly a Pelini holdout, but he used that mentality as an excuse. Word is he had the same tude when Pelini was coach.

And the problem I have with that is that as a coach, if it's really that bad, you tell them that they have a choice to make, and if they don't correct it, you bench them. You cannot allow the inmates to run the asylum.
It's anecdotal, but we had to do that with a kid on my son's baseball team this year early in the season.

Yep...which means either...1. The coaches did not think that Gerry was sabotaging the team and not trying.

or

2. The coaches (a staff with over 60 years of coaching experience) somehow didn't notice that Gerry was hurting the team on purpose.

Hmmm

Or...
3. They saw it, and didn't do anything about it.

4. It's just a small character flaw and his lack of effort academically is unrelated AND benching one of the best players on defense, even when not giving 100% would be a bad deal.

They did bench him...at the start of the season.

 

[MyBloodIsRed16]

Hey does anyone remember when Nate Gerry said that one thing to that one guy that could have meant one thing or another??

 

[Saunders]

Let's see where Banker ends up coaching. If he's a good DC, and the problem was exclusively buy in, he'll be coordinating again at a top school in no time.