NCAA in "Deep Discussion" to Implement Revenue Sharing with Athletes

Moiraine said:
You do you but personally I like them from all different races and lengths.
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Mavric said:
To be fair, a significant number of fans were claiming that the players should be paid.  Probably some who are now complaining about how that is happening.
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I don't have a problem with the players being paid.  It's HOW it's being done that's the problem.  These programs have a ton of money the way it is.  Sure, some have way more than others....but still.

The progam is sitting there raking in millions already from us fans.  All the money they get is originally from the fans.  But, then they have to beg for more.

 
BigRedBuster said:
I don't have a problem with the players being paid.  It's HOW it's being done that's the problem.  These programs have a ton of money the way it is.  Sure, some have way more than others....but still.

The progam is sitting there raking in millions already from us fans.  All the money they get is originally from the fans.  But, then they have to beg for more.
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Law of unintended consequences.

 
BigRedBuster said:
I don't have a problem with the players being paid.  It's HOW it's being done that's the problem.  These programs have a ton of money the way it is.  Sure, some have way more than others....but still.

The progam is sitting there raking in millions already from us fans.  All the money they get is originally from the fans.  But, then they have to beg for more.
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The challenge is, the program wasn't allowed to pay the players until this coming year.  Now what you are asking for is happening.  The programs have to foot the bill, and yes they will still ask for money.  Taking 20 million out of the athletic budget each year for this is going to cost a lot of programs.  There are only a few ADs out there that actually turn a profit. So seeing this play out is going to be interesting.  To me it will be akin to the Yankees vs the Royals as far as payrolls go.  

And there will be a cap put in place for the players as for what the schools can pay. 20 million across all sports.  What the kids make on ad revenue outside of that will be up to 1890.  No different than Jordan and his Nike shoe deal.  That had nothing to do with the Bulls.

The NIL stuff will now hopefully go back to it's intended need.  Set kids up with ad deals.  Be more of an ad agency to sign the kids to stuff outside of the program, and not act like a defacto front office for funding.

 
soup said:
The challenge is, the program wasn't allowed to pay the players until this coming year.  Now what you are asking for is happening.  The programs have to foot the bill, and yes they will still ask for money.  Taking 20 million out of the athletic budget each year for this is going to cost a lot of programs.  There are only a few ADs out there that actually turn a profit. So seeing this play out is going to be interesting.  To me it will be akin to the Yankees vs the Royals as far as payrolls go.  

And there will be a cap put in place for the players as for what the schools can pay. 20 million across all sports.  What the kids make on ad revenue outside of that will be up to 1890.  No different than Jordan and his Nike shoe deal.  That had nothing to do with the Bulls.

The NIL stuff will now hopefully go back to it's intended need.  Set kids up with ad deals.  Be more of an ad agency to sign the kids to stuff outside of the program, and not act like a defacto front office for funding.
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I'm fine with this as long as the kids are "earning" that money by doing something outside of the field of play.  If Nike wants to give a kid a shoe deal, great for that kid.  If ESPN wants to follow a kid around campus in the offseason, good for that kid.  I hope they get paid.  But 1890, and these other groups, asking fans to give money so they can turn around and give a pile of cash to kids just for being on the team needs to end and I'm not confident it will; that should be entirely the schools' responsibility starting next year.

Like @BigRedBuster posted, fans already "give" their money via ticket and merch sales.  I would love to see a store like Walmart or McDonalds, with a ton of money ask each customer to donate "extra" after paying the bill to help pay for the staff.  Just to see the reaction.  People would roll their eyes and most likely just say "f you!".  And when those stores raise their prices to cover the cost, it will be up to the consumer to decide if it's still worth it.  

But I'm I guess I'm glad someone has enough cash to donate, cause I'm sure not.  And I think that sentiment seems to be growing and actually creating a bitter attitude towards these players which might make earing cash the honest way even harder in the future.  I know I'm far less likely to go to a game in person any more because of it.  Hell, I'm to the point where I'm starting not to care about even watching on TV.

 
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funhusker said:
I'm fine with this as long as the kids are "earning" that money by doing something outside of the field of play.  If Nike wants to give a kid a shoe deal, great for that kid.  If ESPN wants to follow a kid around campus in the offseason, good for that kid.  I hope they get paid.  But 1890, and these other groups, asking fans to give money so they can turn around and give a pile of cash to kids just for being on the team needs to end; that should be the schools' responsibility starting next year.

Like @BigRedBuster posted, fans already "give" their money via ticket and merch sales.  I would love to see a store like Walmart or McDonalds, with a ton of money ask each customer to donate "extra" after paying the bill to help pay for the staff.  Just to see the reaction.  People would roll their eyes and most likely just say "f you!".  And when those stores raise their prices to cover the cost, it will be up to the consumer to decide if it's still worth it.  

But I'm I guess I'm glad someone has enough cash to donate, cause I'm sure not.  And I think that sentiment seems to be growing and actually creating a bitter attitude towards these players which might make earing cash the honest way even harder in the future.
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And that will happen come July 1st.  But until then, everyone needs to operate in the current environment or be left out in the cold.  And we will b!^@h about not having good players next year.

So while it sucks for the moment.  A small tiny bit of organization comes into play on July 1st.  And I HOPE that is the start of a CBA that incorporates at least 2 year contracts.

 
funhusker said:
I'm fine with this as long as the kids are "earning" that money by doing something outside of the field of play.  If Nike wants to give a kid a shoe deal, great for that kid.  If ESPN wants to follow a kid around campus in the offseason, good for that kid.  I hope they get paid.  But 1890, and these other groups, asking fans to give money so they can turn around and give a pile of cash to kids just for being on the team needs to end; that should be the schools' responsibility starting next year.

Like @BigRedBuster posted, fans already "give" their money via ticket and merch sales.  I would love to see a store like Walmart or McDonalds, with a ton of money ask each customer to donate "extra" after paying the bill to help pay for the staff.  Just to see the reaction.  People would roll their eyes and most likely just say "f you!".  And when those stores raise their prices to cover the cost, it will be up to the consumer to decide if it's still worth it.  

But I'm I guess I'm glad someone has enough cash to donate, cause I'm sure not.  And I think that sentiment seems to be growing and actually creating a bitter attitude towards these players which might make earing cash the honest way even harder in the future.
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And then, on top of that, we would give our money, 1890 pays the player and shortly after.....the player up and leaves anyway because there are no contracts or rules governing all of this.

In the last couple of days, there was a player that had committed to Oregon, and then just up and asked to be released from his NLI so he could go sign with another program.  I've read where some of these top recruits are getting a big check just to sign. So.....does this kid get to just keep the money from Oregon?

 
soup said:
And that will happen come July 1st.  But until then, everyone needs to operate in the current environment or be left out in the cold.  And we will b!^@h about not having good players next year.

So while it sucks for the moment.  A small tiny bit of organization comes into play on July 1st.  And I HOPE that is the start of a CBA that incorporates at least 2 year contracts.
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My understanding is that revenue sharing will happen on top of groups like 1890.  As far as I've seen, the rules going forward will really have no effect on how those groups fundraise or pay out money.

 
BigRedBuster said:
But, we are expected to donate even more so an 18-20 year old kid can make way more than me to play a game. 
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It is a truly absurd wild west out here, and I can't speak to the intentions behind any of the people running NIL collectives, but I don't look at it as you and me are expected to donate, but they have to ask to make sure their net grabs all of the absolute obsessive idiots that want to donate.

Actually, at the end of the day it feels simiilar to alumni associations asking for money in the decades after you leave college. Fine for the people that want to give back, but I personally just laugh and feel good that I have given you more than enough money in my life.

 
soup said:
The challenge is, the program wasn't allowed to pay the players until this coming year.  Now what you are asking for is happening.  The programs have to foot the bill, and yes they will still ask for money.  Taking 20 million out of the athletic budget each year for this is going to cost a lot of programs.  There are only a few ADs out there that actually turn a profit. So seeing this play out is going to be interesting.  To me it will be akin to the Yankees vs the Royals as far as payrolls go.  

And there will be a cap put in place for the players as for what the schools can pay. 20 million across all sports.  What the kids make on ad revenue outside of that will be up to 1890.  No different than Jordan and his Nike shoe deal.  That had nothing to do with the Bulls.

The NIL stuff will now hopefully go back to it's intended need.  Set kids up with ad deals.  Be more of an ad agency to sign the kids to stuff outside of the program, and not act like a defacto front office for funding.
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Here's the difference between an example of 1890 paying players and Jordan signing a Nike deal isn't anywhere close to apples to apples.  

Jordan gets paid by the Bulls.  On the side Jordan signs with Nike for a lot of money.  Now, let's say Jordan becomes a free agent and signs with the Pistons (god forbid).  That Nike money has nothing to do with him changing teams.  So, the Pistons aren't going to be luring him away based on them offering a much bigger shoe deal.

Now, let's take Joe Hammerhead RB for Nebraska.  He gets paid a certain amount from the program...and, he gets paid by 1890....which is tied to Nebraska athletics.  So....let's say Notre Dame comes in and wants to lure him away.  Sure, he gets probably a similar payment from the program.  But, the ND equivalent of 1890 is now in competition with 1890.  So.....nothing about this is going to change with the ideas that are currently being implemented.  These collectives are still going to be begging all of us for more money.  The players can take it and move wherever they want to move from there with very little to no commitment from the player's end.

 
BigRedBuster said:
Here's the difference between an example of 1890 paying players and Jordan signing a Nike deal isn't anywhere close to apples to apples.  

Jordan gets paid by the Bulls.  On the side Jordan signs with Nike for a lot of money.  Now, let's say Jordan becomes a free agent and signs with the Pistons (god forbid).  That Nike money has nothing to do with him changing teams.  So, the Pistons aren't going to be luring him away based on them offering a much bigger shoe deal.

Now, let's take Joe Hammerhead RB for Nebraska.  He gets paid a certain amount from the program...and, he gets paid by 1890....which is tied to Nebraska athletics.  So....let's say Notre Dame comes in and wants to lure him away.  Sure, he gets probably a similar payment from the program.  But, the ND equivalent of 1890 is now in competition with 1890.  So.....nothing about this is going to change with the ideas that are currently being implemented.  These collectives are still going to be begging all of us for more money.  The players can take it and move wherever they want to move from there with very little to no commitment from the player's end.
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I agree that it is way more local with the Name, Image and Likeness. Let's not forget the whole point of that was for advertising purposes.  There are a handful of national kids that will keep their ad deals regardless of where they go. Livvy Dunne, Shedeur, Caitlyn Clark last year, etc.  But the sooner that the collectives go back to setting up Ad deals for the local team the better.  And that will be what they are utilized for and should be utilized for.

And yes, there will still be a little carry over for the collectives to ask for money to support the local businesses, but that should start to go away with some sort of CBA, and the actual contracts will be managed by the schools.  But who the heck knows.  One lawsuit later and everything will get thrown out the window yet again.

 
soup said:
I agree that it is way more local with the Name, Image and Likeness. Let's not forget the whole point of that was for advertising purposes.  There are a handful of national kids that will keep their ad deals regardless of where they go. Livvy Dunne, Shedeur, Caitlyn Clark last year, etc.  But the sooner that the collectives go back to setting up Ad deals for the local team the better.  And that will be what they are utilized for and should be utilized for.

And yes, there will still be a little carry over for the collectives to ask for money to support the local businesses, but that should start to go away with some sort of CBA, and the actual contracts will be managed by the schools.  But who the heck knows.  One lawsuit later and everything will get thrown out the window yet again.
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I agree with most of what you're saying.  I just don't think the new rules are going to change the situation as much as you do.

 
BigRedBuster said:
I agree with most of what you're saying.  I just don't think the new rules are going to change the situation as much as you do.
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Given how things have gone.  I see your point of view.  I'm just of the mind that there have been so many coaches and ADs out there that have come out against the current makeup.  That something will be done to reign this in at some point.  I guess I'm cautiously optimistic that the free for all that is currently happening will have some organization come to fruition at some point in the next year or two.

Who? though.  If I had to guess, is the conferences more so than the NCAA.

 
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