P&R bullsh#t that clogs up the Dbag thread

While we were debating the importance of Trump and his cabinet members innacurate claims,

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/23/donald-trump-orders-freeze-on-federal-civilian-hir/

Things like this were happening. I don't know, maybe I am a f'ing moron and this rally attendance number is going to be a giant problem in a few years....or maybe everyone will forget in a week. I'm assuming the latter since he will guaranteed say something else that people latch onto.

 
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The notion that we have to research the news to find the news that's factual is pretty telling.

And "fake" is am extreme term. I would use the phrase "convenient". Most major media still put out real news (with obvious bias). It's the stories that become major stories that are being manipulated or used. We have multiple channels that offer news, and none of them hide which way their bias swings. That's nice for those of us still needing that guidance and want to be affiliated with one party.
We've been asking people for decades to research the news and find what's factual. Tabloids, e-mags and radical journalism have existed almost as long as journalism has. This again goes back to the idea or notion that media bias is somehow a relatively new construct. The truth is simple - media bias has existed almost as long as this country.
Yes, it has. But with information as readily available as it is today, it becomes harder and harder to sift through the crap to find the factual information without strong bias.
It's not impossible though and can be done relatively easily if something is that important to you to look up.
I see what you're saying but I personally don't believe it's that difficult. Part of that is because I come from a media background professionally and studied it in college, so I have a pretty intricate understanding of journalism's history and the process modern day journalists go through to create content.

I think what it boils down to is what you said in your second line - deciding if it's important enough to look up. I think it's easier now than ever to access information, but it's also easier to ignore the stuff we don't want to see. People rationalize that it's easier to post and forget rather than to read and research.

The world would be a much better place if we cut the amount of time aimlessly trolling through social media in half and then used that time to read and research what's happening around us.

 
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The notion that we have to research the news to find the news that's factual is pretty telling.

And "fake" is am extreme term. I would use the phrase "convenient". Most major media still put out real news (with obvious bias). It's the stories that become major stories that are being manipulated or used. We have multiple channels that offer news, and none of them hide which way their bias swings. That's nice for those of us still needing that guidance and want to be affiliated with one party.
We've been asking people for decades to research the news and find what's factual. Tabloids, e-mags and radical journalism have existed almost as long as journalism has. This again goes back to the idea or notion that media bias is somehow a relatively new construct. The truth is simple - media bias has existed almost as long as this country.
Yes, it has. But with information as readily available as it is today, it becomes harder and harder to sift through the crap to find the factual information without strong bias.It's not impossible though and can be done relatively easily if something is that important to you to look up.
I see what you're saying but I personally don't believe it's that difficult. Part of that is because I come from a media background professionally and studied it in college, so I have a pretty intricate understanding of journalism's history and the process modern day journalists go through to create content.
I think what it boils down to is what you said in your second line - deciding if it's important enough to look up. I think it's easier now than ever to access information, but it's also easier to ignore the stuff we don't want to see. People rationalize that it's easier to post and forget rather than to read and research.

The world would be a much better place if we cut the amount of time aimlessly trolling through social media in half and then used that time to read and research what's happening around us.
Here's a good read.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/monkeymind/2016/10/my-quest-for-unbiased-news-or-more-notes-on-the-fools-errand.html

 
I spend most of my free time doing stats for wrestling and writing up practice schedules, uploading film to hudl, staying on top of the things that help out the kids I am around every day. Along with teaching/coaching, meeting with my mentee through the teammates program. I also have to find time the 3 hours I am home before bed to spend with my pregnant wife.

It's NOT easy (as some claim) to stop doing all those things that HAVE to be done, just to sift through a bunch of crap to find our if an article I read is factual. Excuse me for putting that stuff over a dumb a$$ argument between right and left.



Cue the "You had time to type that out.....etc"

 
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I spend most of my free time doing stats for wrestling and writing up practice schedules, uploading film to hudl, staying on top of the things that help out the kids I am around every day. Along with teaching/coaching, meeting with my mentee through the teammates program. I also have to find time the 3 hours I am home before bed to spend with my pregnant wife.

It's NOT easy (as some claim) to stop doing all those things that HAVE to be done, just to sift through a bunch of crap to find our if an article I read is factual. Excuse me for putting that stuff over a dumb a$$ argument between right and left.

Cue the "You had time to type that out.....etc"
I completely get what you're saying. Yhe task of being informed of political topics can be exhausting and unrewarding. What's the payoff? Sounding smary when you get into a pissing match with someone on the internet.

The public should be made aware of current events and should want to be aware. But it's up to individuals to choose what topics to care about.

That said, I'm just a stupid sorry a$$ ignorant person, so what do I know.

 
I spend most of my free time doing stats for wrestling and writing up practice schedules, uploading film to hudl, staying on top of the things that help out the kids I am around every day. Along with teaching/coaching, meeting with my mentee through the teammates program. I also have to find time the 3 hours I am home before bed to spend with my pregnant wife.

It's NOT easy (as some claim) to stop doing all those things that HAVE to be done, just to sift through a bunch of crap to find our if an article I read is factual. Excuse me for putting that stuff over a dumb a$$ argument between right and left.

Cue the "You had time to type that out.....etc"
Coach, absolutely no offense intended, but we all have busy schedules and I'm not suggesting you or anyone spend 30-60 minutes a day vetting publications and facts. It's about critical analysis and thinking. Consuming media has NEVER been about mindlessly believing what you read and this goes back to the beginning of journalism as we know it.

I must also express myself disappointed you or anyone think this conversation is about winning political arguments on Facebook or Huskerboard.

 
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Maybe that comment was unfair. But really, what good did knapp and myself bickering about the importance of Trumps innacurate comment do? He got to call me names, that was about it.

Again, the public should want to be informed. I'm still trying to convince my wife to this day to go register to vote but she has 0 interest in politics, she is starting to come aroubd though a bit. But things like the rally attendance are non-stories in my opinion. All it did was give the Left a reason to complain about a guy they were already complaining about. I say that not as a Conservative but as an observer( I'm a registered Independent). Meanwhile Trump was putting freezes on federal hiring, strong arming the pipeline and stopping trades. But here we were focused on his silly comments.

That's called bait and switch.

 
The attendance numbers should be a non-story. Here is a way that it would have been a non-story.

The media reports that a much smaller amount of people showed up than did in '09, or even in '13. That is a fact. We move on to the next thing.

That is not what happened. Donald Trump turned it into a story - either through his insecure narcissism, as a distraction, or both. He couldn't let it go. He had the White House lie about it. The media responded by rightfully calling the claims a lie.

In no way is holding the President and the White House and government in general accountable to facts and the truth a non-story. Trump forced the issue, and the media are doing their jobs.

Anyways - I already documented how easy and quick it is to verify, or at least become more informed on topics. You can get to a close picture of the truth on most simple topics within 1 or 2 minutes. For those of us who have 10,000+ posts on a sports messageboard, there's no excuse to do that other than admitting that we just don't have any desire to. The great thing is that you have the freedom to choose not to care, and that's fine. The bad thing is that some of us think that is a very dangerous attitude, especially in the face of a President and administration that seem hellbent on doing away with facts, expertise, news and research and making propaganda the way of the land. The only way that doesn't happen is if we don't allow it to happen.

 
So because Trump dangled the string it's our duty to play with it?

I would rather discuss the things he is doing as president than the nonsense he spews as a person and always has.

 
I spend most of my free time doing stats for wrestling and writing up practice schedules, uploading film to hudl, staying on top of the things that help out the kids I am around every day. Along with teaching/coaching, meeting with my mentee through the teammates program. I also have to find time the 3 hours I am home before bed to spend with my pregnant wife.

It's NOT easy (as some claim) to stop doing all those things that HAVE to be done, just to sift through a bunch of crap to find our if an article I read is factual. Excuse me for putting that stuff over a dumb a$$ argument between right and left.

Cue the "You had time to type that out.....etc"
Coach, absolutely no offense intended, but we all have busy schedules and I'm not suggesting you or anyone spend 30-60 minutes a day vetting publications and facts. It's about critical analysis and thinking. Consuming media has NEVER been about mindlessly believing what you read and this goes back to the beginning of journalism as we know it.

I must also express myself disappointed you or anyone think this conversation is about winning political arguments on Facebook or Huskerboard.
I never said that you guys aren't busy. Only explained my own day/week/month. During the summer I have more time to fact check. Also I suppose I should say that this is the first year since joining huskerboard that my time has been severely limited. I'm not a college student anymore.

It's kind of a raw deal because now that I probably need to be more informed, I don't feel I have the time to devote to it. Before, I didn't care and was really naive. I would be scared to go back 4-5 years ago and look at things I posted.

I get what you are all saying and I respect your stance but I've kind of taken my own stance that affecting/interacting with the people in my school/community trumps what we are doing in Iran (as an example). I don't want to flood my mind and end up speaking about political things to the kids. Other teachers do that to them and when they are around me I want them to feel like kids and have the opportunity clear their minds, etc....

Being a PE teacher, I was totally on board with the Michelle Obama stance against childhood obesity thing and I hope that we continue that way of thinking in terms of health.

I'm not really sure what just happened. Excuse the ramble.

EDIT: As I re-read what you said. Your last line. Isn't that exactly what it is about? Except on a larger scale. It's just the right doing what they think is right, and the left doing what they think is right and both sides are trying to convince each other which is correct. The problem that I think EVERYONE is somewhat fed up with is that nothing is ever done in a civil manner bipartisan. The right never gives ground and the left doesn't either. It's always an all or nothing. Maybe I'm just too uniformed and I'm way off base....?

 
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