No doubt. Honest question, someone had posted earlier that Pitt was ushering Whipple out so not a big loss to them. Joseph allegedly made a play and Kelly chose not to keep him. IMHO, both are upgrades for sure. Whipple style is not my choice, but I can see the quality in that hire. Would other schools have picked either up (P5)? Or was this a case of 4 years of losses and the perception that Frost is a lame duck coach. Were the hires that great or are we convincing ourselves that we "stole them" from other programs. Again, I think they are upgrades, quality Frost should have looked for year 1, but are they further down the list choices.