QB Race

well, there were some pretty crazy things said the other way too. the kid scored three times, -AND- he didnt turn the ball over. Not a single time. pretty darn impressive performance for a first start, i dont care what the level of competition was.

 
I saw and heard the noise but it took a few seconds to register what was actually going on and why all the noise was being made, then it was "ok so martinez gets the nod, neat."

 
JTrain said:
We may never know the story, but I tend to lean towards those saying that something seems strange. How did Watson and/or Bo have such strong loyalty towards Lee last season, despite how much mental indecisiveness he displayed, then suddenly bury him on the depth chart for this season?
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With all due respect, Watson and Bo dumped Lee midseason and put in an untested freshman last year. Green looked really shaky, so they put Lee back in with a limited playbook and not a ton of confidence. That's not what I'd call strong loyalty. It was merely doing the best with the hand you're dealt.

This season they looked at their hand and went with speed and athleticism. They may well need Lee's leadership and slightly better passing skills at some point, and that's a luxury we should be grateful for.

As a betting man I'd also put money that something went down in practice, something in the realm of pure mind games, that worked against Zac Lee. But that's not really strange, either. Just part of the mix.

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
JTrain said:
We may never know the story, but I tend to lean towards those saying that something seems strange. How did Watson and/or Bo have such strong loyalty towards Lee last season, despite how much mental indecisiveness he displayed, then suddenly bury him on the depth chart for this season?
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With all due respect, Watson and Bo dumped Lee midseason and put in an untested freshman last year. Green looked really shaky, so they put Lee back in with a limited playbook and not a ton of confidence. That's not what I'd call strong loyalty. It was merely doing the best with the hand you're dealt.

This season they looked at their hand and went with speed and athleticism. They may well need Lee's leadership and slightly better passing skills at some point, and that's a luxury we should be grateful for.

As a betting man I'd also put money that something went down in practice, something in the realm of pure mind games, that worked against Zac Lee. But that's not really strange, either. Just part of the mix.
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That's how I see it too. They tried to dump Lee last year by trying their only option, a true freshman. No surprise, that didn't work so their only choice was to put Lee back in and pray the defense could win the game for them.

"This" year however with Tmart's outrageous talent and Green not being fresheman is a whole different deal. Sorry mates.....Lee's ship has sailed. Barring injury, he's mop up duty only.

 
JTrain said:
zoogies said:
Holy thread merge, batman....

Regarding the reality shopping comment, I'll lay out how I see it. Two possibilities:

1) Lee is really just a poor QB who had a lousy camp. In this case, it didn't take very much for Martinez to surpass him, as well as Green, since it's clear that both did.

2) Lee is the good, senior leader, consistent QB who improved on what we saw in the Holiday Bowl. Martinez is just that superstar that surpassed him. Green is another superstar who surpassed him. Martinez is ahead of Green.

3) Martinez beat out Green; Lee was not part of the conversation for whatever reason: he doesn't fit the style we run; coaches don't want to build the team around him; etc; etc.

I am going with 3 on the basis that we've heard Lee did not have a lousy camp at all. You can call this hearsay, but at the same time we rely on this kind of hearsay all the time to hear about who has a good camp or not. For example, you could say reports about that one killer scrimmage Martinez has was also hearsay, as well as reports about ones where he threw a ton of interceptions. Also in the same category I'd say, would be reports that Thenarse was making waves towards the end of camp (he got the start over PJ and West), that Cotton was really showing stuff at TE, etc, etc.

The reports on Zac Lee would have to be completely off base for 1 to be the case. That leads me to 3, but it does not necessarily mean that Zac was screwed out a job. There are legit reasons why Zac, despite having a lot of talent, could find himself third. The style of offense could be one he's not suited to run. He could be not getting along well with his teammates and not being the leader he needs to be. Or he could be viewed as soft by his coaches. Now we are getting more into "believe what you want to believe" territory.

By the way, none of these scenarios said anything about the relative separation of Martinez and Green, except that Martinez was ahead of Green. By how much? It seems we expect there to be competition over the next few games still, at least, between these two. And you know what they say about "when you have 2 quarterbacks"...

I suppose the bottom line I'm getting at is, all three guys we have are probably average. There's no savior among them. We have "depth", I suppose, compared to last year, but we don't have 2 or 3 star players at QB...just 3 average guys. 2 of them are going to be young guys that will make young player mistakes. So let's at least temper our expectations here.
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OK first off zoogies, that's three options you listed, not two. The season's started now you gotta be on your game ;)

We may never know the story, but I tend to lean towards those saying that something seems strange. How did Watson and/or Bo have such strong loyalty towards Lee last season, despite how much mental indecisiveness he displayed, then suddenly bury him on the depth chart for this season? Why did they constantly say the QB race was very close, yet Lee only gets mop-duty? Did Green really improve so much in the off-season that he passed a healthy Lee by leaps and bounds, despite the fact that he couldn't seem to pass an injured Lee last season?

I was never really a Lee supporter but I'm definitely curious what went on behind the scenes. Plenty of stuff doesn't seem to be adding up completely. None of your options seem to be true unless the coaches were flat-out lying about the race being close. The way these QBs were played Saturday does not equal a neck and neck and neck race.
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Jtrain, you're sharp as a whip but in this topic you might be looking for something that simply isn't there. You'll see as the season unfolds that there isn't any comparison between Tmart & Lee whatsoever.

Sure, the coaches aren't going to publicly say Tmart "blows Lee away" but action speaks louder than words. Bo/SW would be crazy to keep Tmart off the field for Z. Lee. Barring injury, you'll see....

 
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Really? We are still doing this? Does noone remember what the offense was like last year? Injuries, poor to horrible QB play, ditto for O-line play and silly penalties? Remember that? As a whole the offense looked better. Lets trust in the coached to make the best decisions to win.

As far as being loyal to one player over another, loyalty getrs checked at the door when it comes to wins and losses!

 
Just ask yourselves this. What type of player is Martinez if he beat out a seasoned veterin QB from last year and his much improved backup. If the coaches think he can do it then he can. You guys are forgetting, that if this kid is the real deal. Hell i dont remember the last time we had a true freshman qb take the helm. Im thinking along the lines of the tim tebow, sam bradford, colt mccoy. Say what you will about them as individuals but there programs had huge success with them at the helm.

 
JTrain said:
skersfan said:
Sorry, I thought we played the worst team in college football with the longest losing record. I did not know our QB's played a team with a pulse to be graded on.

This game and effort means absolutely nothing. Nothing to plan on or build on, a waste of time as a game other than money for Nebraska. Nothing to be told from it nothing to learn from.

Nice play by Martinez, I guess Green and Lee got hosed.

We may not know what we have until we hit conference play.

The big ten will make us grow balls and play someone next year. I hate these games.

Glad we won and the kids had fun. I watched the entire game, but saw nothing that makes me think we are on par with the top teams in the country as of yet.

Get over it. Beat someone and then try to figure where we are.

MNC, Hypsman from that game is a joke not even worth repeating.
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Bluntly and rather harshly put, but pretty much true. The last time I fell for reading anything into a cupcake opener was 2004, when the great Joe Dailey led us to nearly 600 yard of offense in a demolition of Western Illinois. I learned my lesson. Now, let's see us manhandle Washington and Kansas State and then I'll get excited.
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Slow down there! We also have to beat Idaho. I am just glad we didn't face them on the first game.

 
Bo says it isn't over. I think this is BS.

Bo says QB race is closeRedshirt freshman Taylor Martinez earned favorable reviews in his first start at quarterback for Nebraska, but coach Bo Pelini indicated Monday that there isn't much separating the team's top three signal callers.

Martinez earned a majority of the playing time in Saturday's opener against Western Kentucky, but Pelini said he feels good about his top three quarterbacks: Martinez, sophomore Cody Green and senior Zac Lee.

“It's not like we have to dramatically change what were doing offensively for any of them,” Pelini said Monday during the Big 12 weekly teleconference. “They're all pretty multipurpose guys. They're all proven to be that.”

Pelini said he waited until Saturday to announce Martinez as the starter because he didn't want to sacrifice competition at practice.

“We like that philosophy across the board,” Pelini said. “Our guys know that practice means something.”
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LINK - more notes in full article

 
knapplc said:
Bo says it isn't over. I think this is BS.

Bo says QB race is closeRedshirt freshman Taylor Martinez earned favorable reviews in his first start at quarterback for Nebraska, but coach Bo Pelini indicated Monday that there isn't much separating the team's top three signal callers.

Martinez earned a majority of the playing time in Saturday's opener against Western Kentucky, but Pelini said he feels good about his top three quarterbacks: Martinez, sophomore Cody Green and senior Zac Lee.

“It's not like we have to dramatically change what were doing offensively for any of them,” Pelini said Monday during the Big 12 weekly teleconference. “They're all pretty multipurpose guys. They're all proven to be that.”

Pelini said he waited until Saturday to announce Martinez as the starter because he didn't want to sacrifice competition at practice.

“We like that philosophy across the board,” Pelini said. “Our guys know that practice means something.”
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LINK - more notes in full article
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“We like that philosophy across the board,” Pelini said. “Our guys know that practice means something.”
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We talkin bout practice?

 
aspeedlin4589 said:
knapplc said:
Bo says it isn't over. I think this is BS.

Bo says QB race is closeRedshirt freshman Taylor Martinez earned favorable reviews in his first start at quarterback for Nebraska, but coach Bo Pelini indicated Monday that there isn't much separating the team's top three signal callers.

Martinez earned a majority of the playing time in Saturday's opener against Western Kentucky, but Pelini said he feels good about his top three quarterbacks: Martinez, sophomore Cody Green and senior Zac Lee.

“It's not like we have to dramatically change what were doing offensively for any of them,” Pelini said Monday during the Big 12 weekly teleconference. “They're all pretty multipurpose guys. They're all proven to be that.”

Pelini said he waited until Saturday to announce Martinez as the starter because he didn't want to sacrifice competition at practice.

“We like that philosophy across the board,” Pelini said. “Our guys know that practice means something.”
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LINK - more notes in full article
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“We like that philosophy across the board,” Pelini said. “Our guys know that practice means something.”
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We talkin bout practice?
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Yeah, you know practice - where championships are made. That practice.

 
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