Roe v Wade overturned????? Draft says so

[ZRod]

It's good to see that, even in some red states, courts are pushing back on this nuttery.


NEWS: The Oklahoma Supreme Court has overturned part of the state's sweeping abortion ban, finding in a 5-4 decision that the health and life of the mother are instances where it must be permitted. The exception was previously limited to medical emergencies where the patient was "in actual and present danger in order for her to obtain a medically necessary abortion.” Oklahoma still has a long way to go in order to reverse the harmful effects of limiting the instances where a woman has bodily autonomy, but this small step is still progress.

This sounds like an activist court to me. The law makers wrote the law as intended, why should the courts be allowed to overrule them? /s

 

[Scarlet]

Pro-birth not pro-life

https://www.axios.com/2023/01/19/mothers-anti-abortion-bans-states-die

Women in states with abortion bans are nearly three times more likely to die during pregnancy, childbirth or soon after giving birth, according to a report from the Gender Equity Policy Institute shared first with Axios.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Pro-birth not pro-life

https://www.axios.com/2023/01/19/mothers-anti-abortion-bans-states-die

I'm curious as to if this has to do with women forced to give birth in instances where her life is in danger OR if it's simply that states where abortions are banned tend to be poor and have worse Healthcare outcomes across the board.

I'm assuming it's the latter.

 

[BigRedBuster]

I'm curious as to if this has to do with women forced to give birth in instances where her life is in danger OR if it's simply that states where abortions are banned tend to be poor and have worse Healthcare outcomes across the board.

I'm assuming it's the latter.

I'm assuming it's the latter too, since these laws just recently changed and I don't think they would have accurate data yet as to the affects of the law change.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

I'm assuming it's the latter too, since these laws just recently changed and I don't think they would have accurate data yet as to the affects of the law change.

It would be wild if the government tried to expand healthcare access to help the citizens in those poor states have longer, healthier lives.

 

[BigRedBuster]

It would be wild if the government tried to expand healthcare access to help the citizens in those poor states have longer, healthier lives.

Now...that's a stupid idea.

 

[Archy1221]

It would be wild if the government tried to expand healthcare access to help the citizens in those poor states have longer, healthier lives.

States have Medicaid and doesn’t Obamacare have subsidies that basically pay almost all of the premiums for people under a certain income level?  

 

[BigRedBuster]

States have Medicaid and doesn’t Obamacare have subsidies that basically pay almost all of the premiums for people under a certain income level?  

Some states, like Nebraska, refused to expand medicaid to help provide healthcare to low income people.  They finally did in October 2021.  But, there are still some states that haven't.  

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/status-of-state-medicaid-expansion-decisions-interactive-map/

Interestingly, the ones that haven't expanded medicaid, are towards the bottom in infant mortality.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/infant_mortality_rates/infant_mortality.htm

 

[Archy1221]

Some states, like Nebraska, refused to expand medicaid to help provide healthcare to low income people.  They finally did in October 2021.  But, there are still some states that haven't.  

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/status-of-state-medicaid-expansion-decisions-interactive-map/

Interestingly, the ones that haven't expanded medicaid, are towards the bottom in infant mortality.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/infant_mortality_rates/infant_mortality.htm

So, do  Obamacare insurance and subsidies not apply to those folks? 

 

[knapplc]

Interestingly, the ones that haven't expanded medicaid, are towards the bottom in infant mortality.

That's gotta be a coincidence! No way giving greater access to healthcare results in better health outcomes for citizens. No way.

 

[Archy1221]

Some states, like Nebraska, refused to expand medicaid to help provide healthcare to low income people.  They finally did in October 2021.  But, there are still some states that haven't.  

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/status-of-state-medicaid-expansion-decisions-interactive-map/

Interestingly, the ones that haven't expanded medicaid, are towards the bottom in infant mortality.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/infant_mortality_rates/infant_mortality.htm

Also, couldnt the CHIPS program possibly cover those kids whose families don’t qualify for Medicaid?  
 

One component to infant mortality rates and the abortion component that axios is writing about and they don’t consider.   Infant mortality is death between birth and age 1.  
 

States that have vastly more prolife citizens are more likely to take a baby to term knowing the baby may only live a few months, but the parents believe the child deserves those few months of life.  In other states, those babies may have been a aborted.  Right, wrong, or indifferent, those cases really have nothing to do with the abortion causing higher infant mortality in the traditional way of thinking (that it’s riskier to go through pregnancy).  
 

 

[BigRedBuster]

Also, couldnt the CHIPS program possibly cover those kids whose families don’t qualify for Medicaid?  
 

One component to infant mortality rates and the abortion component that axios is writing about and they don’t consider.   Infant mortality is death between birth and age 1.  
 

States that have vastly more prolife citizens are more likely to take a baby to term knowing the baby may only live a few months, but the parents believe the child deserves those few months of life.  In other states, those babies may have been a aborted.  Right, wrong, or indifferent, those cases really have nothing to do with the abortion causing higher infant mortality in the traditional way of thinking (that it’s riskier to go through pregnancy).  
 

So, do  Obamacare insurance and subsidies not apply to those folks? 

I'm not an expert on the entire system.  But, there's a reason why most states expanded Medicaid.  That was to cover people who weren't covered.

And, as I said above, I don't believe changes in the abortion laws have affected these stats because the laws are too new to have statistics like this on how those laws are affecting this.

Your last paragraph is a valid point.  But, I don't believe that tells the entire story.  And, it's a fact that better prenatal healthcare improves infant mortality.

 

[BigRedBuster]

 

What has been the impact of Medicaid expansion?




The Menges Group is a national consulting firm that’s focused on finding ways to better serve high-risk populations. The Menges Group did a study to compare states that adopted Medicaid Expansion with states that did not. Key findings from the Menges Group study,Opens in a new tab3published in August 2021, include:

• More than 9 million people who would otherwise be uninsured got coverage through Medicaid Expansion.
  
• From 2013–2019, the share of Medicaid costs that states pay increased less in states that expanded Medicaid compared to those that did not (19.5% versus 26.4%).
  
• Medicaid expansion helped lower the COVID-19 death rate among people aged 18–64.
  
• Hospital revenues appear to have increased considerably in states with Medicaid expansion.
  

• https://www.uhccommunityplan.com/dual-eligible/eligibility/medicaid-expansion-aca
  

 

[Archy1221]

And, it's a fact that better prenatal healthcare improves infant mortality.

You are absolutely right and unfortunately some don’t utilize the services at their disposal such as Medicaid, CHIPS, private insurance 

 

[Archy1221]

 

• https://www.uhccommunityplan.com/dual-eligible/eligibility/medicaid-expansion-aca
  

Thanks for the UHC link.  The study link doesn’t see to work though