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ATS Knight said:
I really enjoy you Nebraska fans, but I think you really underestimate your expectations. These are your expectations now, but will they be the same after a couple division championships?

Look at UF, they're saying a lot of the same things. But do any of us really think they'll have lowered expectations forever? Look at FSU. National championships don't buy you as much time as they used to anywhere. 
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Well, we did keep one coach for 20 years before he won a national title. 

 
You know what guys?  Tomorrow/Sunday is truly the new beginning we have waited for since Osborne.  We can put this year behind us.  We can put the last 20 years behind us and hell, we can even put the 90s behind us (appreciate it, but don't cling on to it).  Something special is starting for us soon.  This one definitely feels different than the rest of the hires.  Hope. Loyalty.  Passion.  Knowledge.  Resume.  GBR

Edit:  Give him many years.  I don't expect a turnaround fast.

 
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ATS Knight said:
12 The Lord sent Nathan to Nebraska fans. When he came to them, he said, “There were two programs in a certain country, one rich and the other poor. The rich program had a very large amount of P5 money and championships, but the poor program had nothing except one new coach they had bought. They gave him free reign, and he grew up with them and their fans. It gave them hope, a lot of wins and even playoff talk. He was like a hero to them.

“Now years of irrelevancy came to the rich program, but the rich man refrained from taking one of the unemployed coaches to prepare something for the irrelevancy that had come to him. Instead, he took the new coach that belonged to the poor program and prepared with him for the irrelevancy that had come to them.”

 Nebraska fans burned with anger against the program and said to Nathan, “As surely as the Lord lives, the program that did this must die!  They must pay for that coach four times over, because they did such a thing and had no pity.”

Then Nathan said to Nebraska fans, “You are that program!"
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Nice translation...and so quick with the d!(k Chitlin's pic...

 
cheekygeek said:
That's a mighty low bar you've got there.
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Definitely a low bar has been set.  But that shows how poor of a product they've been putting on the field.  So much so, I was pleasantly surprised they were tied with Iowa at halftime.  How many times this year did you think to yourself, "It's 3rd and long maybe we'll stop them this time."  only for the other team to get a first down.  Or our guys running a yard short of the first down on 3rd down and getting stopped; forcing a punt.

This isn't going to be TO taking over a national championship team he helped build as an offensive coordinator.  So next years realistic goal is to compete and stop giving up 50 points a game to the likes of Purdue, Minnesota, and Iowa.  Maybe have someone on the defense come up and hit a player, no false starts after a timeout, no holding penalties when the player isn't on the same side of the field as the ball carrier, etc..  The little detail stuff that might win an extra game or two here and there.

I'll be pleased if they can hang with the big boy ranked teams into the 4th quarter but I would take getting better as the year goes on instead of getting worse.  Basic progress would be nice to see.

 
Toe said:
Seriously? You're still, preemptively, trying to trot that excuse out?! There aren't any players left who played under Bo, just a handful of guys who were redshirts in his final season.
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Umm...unless I am missing something, the following were on the team in 2014 and learned under the prior staff, and as a redshirt, you should still be learning the system.  I'm not saying most of the players for next season learned under Bo, but we have just had several crappy years with poor instruction.

  • Tanner Farmer
  • Gerald Foster
  • Freedom A
  • Darlington
  • Reimers
  • Wilbon
  • Gifford
  • Stoltenberg



 
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STL Husker said:
5 million a year buys one of those nannys who will wake up with your kid.  Or he can send the kid to grandma's house if he comes back home.  If "whatever job he wants" is Nebraska, why not do it now?
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Huskers93-97 said:
I understand your point. But yes as time goes by and we take steps towards a national title being a realistic goal our expectations will rise where they once were. By everything I have heard Scott Frost is an aggressive coach and wants success and challenges. If at some point he is going to step up to big boy football those expectations are going to exist in any major football conference, especially tradition rich programs. 

It all depends on what Scott wants- do you think he wants to play at the highest level and see what he can do. 

Or does he wants to play small ball and win easy games. 

You mentioned above he turned down jobs and accepted UCF because it was perfect for him to take the next step. But what could be more perfect for him than his dream job. 
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If he doesn't have enough experience to make his system work there, it's probably not going to be good timing. UCF has tons of speed recruits around. Our issue is finding a system that overcomes our disadvantages on the lines.

But Nebraska is surrounded by power recruits, I don't think it's that easy to just move somewhere new and make everything work as well. Higher competition? Yes, but a lot of schools with equal resources and a lot more experience/connections etc. AAC is filled with poor programs with new, ever-shifting coaches in worse recruiting areas. 

 
I am not liking the confidence I'm seeing on that Tennessee board... I didn't pay much attention to them because I thought Florida and then UCF was our main competition for SF. Between that though and what Hedley posted the other day just has me on tenderhooks. I don't think I've ever been excited for a season to hurry up and end either so this whole saga is just a bit weird for me.

 
Huskers93-97 said:
Good points. But lets keep in mind the previous opportunities he turned down were not from his alma mater, and top 5 all time winning program. Its a little easier to turn down Colorado state. Not saying he wont stay put, just saying I have heard that argument before that he has turned down jobs before- and when I see the schools that offered I dont blame him for turning them down.
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Riley has let Ohio State pass you and Bama is coming up fast. This time next year Nebraska might not be in the top 5 anymore in all time wins. Hopefully Frost will come in and right the ship. 

 
Huskers93-97 said:
I think they should go after Pelini. I am sure he would welcome a big time gig in the SEC- get his foot back in the door in the big stage of college football. Tennessee could get a pretty good coach for fairly cheap. Plus it would help offset what we owe bo right?
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Didn't Bo throw his name in the hat for UT when they hired Butch?  But in the current climate there, he would get eaten alive by the fans/media.

 
The Cornfather said:
I am not liking the confidence I'm seeing on that Tennessee board... I didn't pay much attention to them because I thought Florida and then UCF was our main competition for SF. Between that though and what Hedley posted the other day just has me on tenderhooks. I don't think I've ever been excited for a season to hurry up and end either so this whole saga is just a bit weird for me.
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Look at their Gruden thread. Same guy says his insider has heard they have the inside track on him. If UT lands Frost I really believe it’s cause Frost has no interest in being here because UT is a death sentence for any coach. UT needs to land someone with experience in the SEC, if they don’t they will have another Dooley, Jones, Kiffin situation.

 
jauken said:
Valid point.  But as a coach you have to be decisive and he knows the sooner he states he is staying at UCF the madness is over.  If his intentions were to stay. He would have announced it.  
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Not if he wanted to see how much he could make on the market and then have UCF match it.  That would just be smart business. 

 
InOmaha said:
Why yes, their 16,000 students are less then our 25,000 students. But their fan base blows because a lot of Nebraska fans didn't go to UNL.

I guess the 45 million people in CA have enough to do without picking college teams. Oh well. If you're a college kid come play for people who will support you or play your conference championship in front of 15,000.
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Of the 16k students, only 7-8k are undergrads. Those are the ones who care most about college athletics, attending games, and being an alumni from that school. There are so many schools in Bay Area that it’s difficult for one school to attract that fan base, especially when that school is attended by elite students from all over the country.

Comparing NU to Stanford is an apples to oranges comparison. However, if you ask me which school provides the best combo of academics and athletics, that would be Stanford. I would send my son there in a heartbeat. 

 
grandpasknee said:
It was late and I was just trying to make the  insane, crazy "what if point".  What if three conferences each have 6 win teams in one division that has their lucky day and wins the championship game of their conference.  You could have two or three one loss teams (that loss being the bad day championship game) sitting on the outside while two or three multiple loss teams are in.   Hopefully at that point they'd wake up and put a UCF or like in.
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That extreme scenario is exactly why there are no specific qualifiers in place to make the playoff. That extreme scenario right there is why the committee exists. 

 
From everything I hear, Frost wasn't happy that he didn't get the job when Riley was hired.  If he thought he had enough experience then, why would he not think it now.  There appears to be many schools who do believe he has enough experience though.  Time will tell, but there have been many successful coaches with less experience. 

 
Redreign22 said:
You would think with 40 million people a few could free up a Friday night. Both teams are from that area, dont even have to travel far.
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But they also have a crapton of pro sports teams. In every sport. Nebraska has no other team to compete with the Huskers.

 
ATS Knight said:
If he doesn't have enough experience to make his system work there, it's probably not going to be good timing. UCF has tons of speed recruits around. Our issue is finding a system that overcomes our disadvantages on the lines.

But Nebraska is surrounded by power recruits, I don't think it's that easy to just move somewhere new and make everything work as well. Higher competition? Yes, but a lot of schools with equal resources and a lot more experience/connections etc. AAC is filled with poor programs with new, ever-shifting coaches in worse recruiting areas. 
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Have you seen the running game at all?  Nebraska doesn't have a power team.

 
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The Cornfather said:
I am not liking the confidence I'm seeing on that Tennessee board... I didn't pay much attention to them because I thought Florida and then UCF was our main competition for SF. Between that though and what Hedley posted the other day just has me on tenderhooks. I don't think I've ever been excited for a season to hurry up and end either so this whole saga is just a bit weird for me.
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Lol there is an idiot on their board who is claiming that their AD John Currie told him personally that Frost is coming. His last paragraph serves as a graceful landing spot if wrong so his credibility does not take a hit. He has no idea on what he is talking about. Tennessee serves as leverage at best. At Best. 

 
Mixture of huge feeling of relief and a bit of melancholy that it just didn't work out for Mike.  He's a class guy, just not a great coach.

 
hskrpwr13 said:
Well, we did keep one coach for 20 years before he won a national title. 
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Exactly and I could see the same scenario for Frost. He won a championship here as a player. If he has us playing Husker football he will be given a lot of leniency by the fans. Yes expectations will rise, but the Nebraska fan base will be more patient with Frost than any other major program would be given the history. like others have said, if he doesn't want to coach in the big time he will probably stay. But if he does this is as golden an opportunity as any. Expectations have been brought to an all time low by Mike Riley, but we are still relevant enough to have the brand power it takes to pull in top 25 classes here. A few more years of bad coaching and we may not be relevant anymore. If we get it right this time Scott might not get a second chance. The more you think about it the more it seems like now or never for Frost. 

 
To be fair. I dispute the argument Tennessee is a bad job. They are an old power that has fell on hard times. People are short sighted and think that job sucks cause they have struggled to find a good coach- just like we have. 

Just throwing that out there because I have respect for traditional powers. Also we should know the same things get said about us. 

That aside no way in hell frost goes to the team he beat for national title 20 years ago 

 
that Sharp quote is also being misrepresented on here. He was asked the question "other than the Golden Child, who would you like to see as the head coach of Nebraska?" and he answered "Kevin Sumlin"

 
If you are Bill Moos and Scott Frost you are absolutely loving the Tennessee dumpster fire. Everyone is so captivated by watching what dumb s#!t Tennessee will do next that they are not talking about Frost to Nebraska anymore. Thus allowing them to focus on their game. 

 
ATS Knight said:
I really enjoy you Nebraska fans, but I think you really underestimate your expectations. These are your expectations now, but will they be the same after a couple division championships?

Look at UF, they're saying a lot of the same things. But do any of us really think they'll have lowered expectations forever? Look at FSU. National championships don't buy you as much time as they used to anywhere. 
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We kept Bo pelini 7 years. After the first 3 years(with callahan recruits)  we never came CLOSE to competing for a conference title(not talking about national titles) and he was also severely mentally unstable.  Top that off With clear signs of decline.  And we still kept him 7 years.  And you will notice with all the openings.....no one is talking about Bo.

 
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Tee Martin took a QB that was almost a sure fire top 5 draft pick and turned him into a player that people think need another year in college.

 
Sounds like someone might be walking it back a bit. Why do Jay and Damon even feel the need to discuss something that happened 20 years ago. I thought Jay was above all this, but maybe not. When you listen to Damon discuss the events of that evening with Scott and LP I get the feeling he blames Scott, that's just me. He seems to hold a grudge regarding the whole situation. Damon won't come out and say it but it seems that way. Jealousy is an ugly thing and I feel like these two might be struggling with that emotion. Let it go, move on! Frosty is coming home!

 
ATS Knight said:
I really enjoy you Nebraska fans, but I think you really underestimate your expectations. These are your expectations now, but will they be the same after a couple division championships?

Look at UF, they're saying a lot of the same things. But do any of us really think they'll have lowered expectations forever? Look at FSU. National championships don't buy you as much time as they used to anywhere. 
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Every school in the history of football has had their expectations grow after they reach a certain plateau.. and rightfully so. Maybe I misunderstood your piont

 
BTW, I think it's 60% Nebraska, 35% UCF, and 5% some other program where he can be anonymous and have a chance at a championship. 

So I'm not saying these reasons are likely, I'm just giving my thoughts on why he would want to stay at UCF or go somewhere else. 

 
Huskers93-97 said:
To be fair. I dispute the argument Tennessee is a bad job. They are an old power that has fell on hard times. People are short sighted and think that job sucks cause they have struggled to find a good coach- just like we have. 

Just throwing that out there because I have respect for traditional powers. Also we should know the same things get said about us. 

That aside no way in hell frost goes to the team he beat for national title 20 years ago 
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4 of their national titles were in the "claimed" era. I don't think they're that great of a program. 

 
Let's look at it this way, if Frost had no Nebraska ties, who are the realistic candidates?  We realize how far we have fallen and how fortunate we are to have an opportunity to get a coach like Frost.  We aren't going to be in any hurry to fire him because our next coach will be the Tim Miles of football.  We really can't compete for the top tier coaches anymore so this is probably our last chance at one of them.  We are going to be 100% sure that he isn't the guy before we let him go.

 
Ziebol the Red said:
Look at their Gruden thread. Same guy says his insider has heard they have the inside track on him. If UT lands Frost I really believe it’s cause Frost has no interest in being here because UT is a death sentence for any coach. UT needs to land someone with experience in the SEC, if they don’t they will have another Dooley, Jones, Kiffin situation.
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I hadn't done any Tennessee message board perusing prior to today because I didn't think we had to worry about them. The Florida competition gave me enough anxiety as it is. I never really thought that Gruden was a serious option for them though either, more like a dream scenario type of thing. I still think SF is N but my poor old heart could do with less of those types of rumors.

 
Former Nebraska & Oregon commit Terry Joseph if he would have interest in Nebraska if Scott Frost was the coach:



 
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