Scott Frost to UCF

[Elf]

I can't tell if you're trying to convince me or yourself that Langs and Riley are great offensive coaches...

Just responding to your specific posts and where they go specifically wrong.

I haven't actually made up my mind about these coaches yet.

You have.

Which is fine. Except I can predict virtually every post attached to your name. And that gets kinda tiresome.

+1 for speaking the truth.

 

[River-runner]

Seems like perfect timing here. 2 years at UCF we dump Riley in 2 and he's a seasoned head coach for us.

Agree with the concept, but what also makes sense to me is that he gains recruiting contacts in Florida and snags a couple of seasoned assistants with SE recruiting skills. This may just be part of a plan. If so, people may need to reassess their feelings for our AD........

A lot of what Riley has been installing is right out of the Oregon playbook - we've just not had the QB to run it well. Riley and Frost have had some pretty good QB experiences to get us back to post season.

GBR

 

[cm husker]

If you think the AD's plan includes Scott frost, I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[huKSer]

If you think the AD's plan includes Scott frost, I have a bridge to sell you.

Depends on what the Energy Bus tells him what to do.

 

[NUance]

Shatel: Central Florida a better place for ex-Husker Frost to start, develop as a head coach

Column by Tom Shatel / World-Herald staff writer

Head coach Scott Frost. He looked the part the other day at the University of Central Florida. He sounded the part, saying, “Fans better buckle their seat belts because we’re going to punch the accelerator and go fast around here, and sooner or later that’s going to lead to a lot of success.”

It’s the role of a lifetime for a small-town Nebraska kid who grew up with mom and dad, Carol and Larry, coaching him in football and life.
LINK

Tom Shatel weighs in on Frost going to UCF.

 

[Elf]

Only 3 HCs since 1970 have won a national championship as external hires with no HC experience. Stoops, McCartney, Dooley.

I'm blinded by at least one glaring omission in your list.... oh, wait, you're doing some weird, convoluted carve out of "internal hires."

Let's get a little more straight forward and tally the number who took a over a winning team, registered a sub. 500 record in their first season, and went on to win a NC.

I was just adding something to enhance and stump's conversation. Nothing weird about it. 1st time HCs that are external hires don't win many championships.
As for the 2nd paragraph, it has nothing to do with this conversation. But feel free to do that research yourself.

It's easy research: 0.
And it's very relevant to the conversation about who might be qualified or positioned to win an NC based on experience and results.

And winning 3 NC in the past 30 years, during which time there have only been about 20 different ones, many of whom were also first time HCs but hired from within, is actually a fairly high percentage.

See enhance's post above. We're talking about Frost being a 1st time HC. Not Riley here. Take that sh#t to the countless other threads about him.
And last I checked 2015 minus 1970 is 45 years.

How many diff coaches have won NCs during that time?

My rough/quick count put it somewhere around 35. Maybe a shy under.
So, going by Red Five's stat, ~10 percent of coaches since 1970 have won a national title as an external hire with no HC experience. A relatively small minority.

However, using your argument about coaches who took a winning team, registered a sub.500 record in their first season and went on to win a NC, almost every coordinator in this country would be more qualified than Riley under that interpretation. That's an argument you'll find yourself on a very lonely island with.

Nobody wants to argue with you about why Riley is not a good hire for Nebraska. You've polluted several threads with this same discussion already. Continue it there.

35 looks high, as, off the top of my head, at least Osborne, Switzer, Devaney, Saban, Bowden and Meyer all won multiple NCs. About half of NC winners were promoted from within as first time HCs (guess we should have retained Solich).
Your entire argument that first time HCs hired to external teams is so tortured that it doesn't even stand up to minimal scrutiny.

It's a meaningless fact. There's no doubt frost would be 1000000x the hire that Riley was.

If we had leaders at NU, we would quickly fire this average staff and go after Frost for countless reasons.

List the numbers, don't give generalities.

And thanks for polluting about your 100th thread with your anti-Riley agenda. No wonder HuskerMax banned you.

Right?

 

[Landlord]

lol at stumpy contorting numbers in the most painfully stretching ways for....what, exactly?

None of those numbers mean anything if you don't look at the research that gives them context. Saying "not very many external hire first time head coaches win national championships" is technically true, but altogether a totally meaningless statement, because it doesn't speak at all towards whether or not that means they are less likely to win national championships, because we have no idea what those numbers are out of.

All that means is that blue blood programs generally don't hire first time head coaches externally. Maybe they should though. Who knows?

 

[Enhance]

lol at stumpy contorting numbers in the most painfully stretching ways for....what, exactly?

None of those numbers mean anything if you don't look at the research that gives them context. Saying "not very many external hire first time head coaches win national championships" is technically true, but altogether a totally meaningless statement, because it doesn't speak at all towards whether or not that means they are less likely to win national championships, because we have no idea what those numbers are out of.

All that means is that blue blood programs generally don't hire first time head coaches externally. Maybe they should though. Who knows?

Perhaps you could better explain your concern, LOMS, because what you're saying doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Using a separate example, not very many freshman win the Heisman trophy. By extension, statistically, most freshman don't win them. The same idea applies here. Most external hire, first time head coaches don't win national championships. Therefore, statistically, they are the least likely group to win them.

If every single team ditched their head coach and hired first time coaches then yeah, they probably would win more titles.