Scott Frost's downfall

[teachercd]

25 minutes ago, Fru said:

Considering the way things were going, the missing/being late to meetings stuff is definitely believable and in my opinion, worthy of scrutiny as it is directly related to football. 
 

The stuff about Country Clubs, cart girls, Gate 25, his wife and kids, is what people talk about. I’ve heard the exact rumors about every coach except Riley. I think Neb fans are somewhat addicted to the drama of Nebraska football and want that type of stuff to exist. 

Mike’l was on the “Common Fan” pod recently and mentioned that if he could go back, he wouldn’t have said what he did. His comments seemed like he was trying to get one last dig in at Frost, and frankly they never made sense to me. 
 

Oh and YES...Husker fans LOVE the drama.  Like you said, Riley is the only one that escaped it even though he got s#!t for riding a bike.

I mean, the rumors that get started...coaches doing coke and crack...coaches f#&%ing cheerleaders and students...partying 24/7...getting so hammered they can't show up for a meet and greet with little kids...blah blah blah...

 

[Fru]

Even the "late" or "missing" practice thing is so blown out of proportion.  If anyone is going to be late or miss it will be the HC.  s#!t, Bobby Bowden used to go nap during practice! 

Out of all of it though, that is probably the only thing that is believable.   

I’ve thought this too. A HC who is in charge of a roster of nearly 100 college kids, a dozen staff members, various support staff, and dozens of recruits might be late from time to time. It doesn’t seem as out of the ordinary as it gets presented.
 

I feel like that happened a lot with Scott. Very routine comments and stuff got blown out of proportion. Like the whole “We hope the B1G will adjust to us” thing. It was a cute little comment for an opening press conference. I never quite understood why it got so much run. To me, it was no different than when a coach says “We’re going to compete for championships” and then never sniff anything close to it. In PJ Fleck’s opening press conference, he said something about going to Rose Bowls. I’ve never seen that get thrown in Peej’s face. 
 

Oh and YES...Husker fans LOVE the drama.  Like you said, Riley is the only one that escaped it even though he got s#!t for riding a bike.

I mean, the rumors that get started...coaches doing coke and crack...coaches f#&%ing cheerleaders and students...partying 24/7...getting so hammered they can't show up for a meet and greet with little kids...blah blah blah...

It’s so childish. And I’m not saying Scott was/is a choir boy. But c’mon folks. Bob Wager and Mickey Joseph couldn’t even make it a year here respectively. But Scott somehow lived like a wild man around LNK for 5 years and somehow there wasn’t even so much as a photo snapped? C’mon. 

 

[teachercd]

I’ve thought this too. A HC who is in charge of a roster of nearly 100 college kids, a dozen staff members, various support staff, and dozens of recruits might be late from time to time. It doesn’t seem as out of the ordinary as it gets presented.
 

I feel like that happened a lot with Scott. Very routine comments and stuff got blown out of proportion. Like the whole “We hope the B1G will adjust to us” thing. It was a cute little comment for an opening press conference. I never quite understood why it got so much run. To me, it was no different than when a coach says “We’re going to compete for championships” and then never sniff anything close to it. In PJ Fleck’s opening press conference, he said something about going to Rose Bowls. I’ve never seen that get thrown in Peej’s face. 
 

It’s so childish. And I’m not saying Scott was/is a choir boy. But c’mon folks. Bob Wager and Mickey Joseph couldn’t even make it a year here respectively. But Scott somehow lived like a wild man around LNK for 5 years and somehow there wasn’t even so much as a photo snapped? C’mon. 

Hahaha!

Right???  MJ is HC for 45 days and is all over the news because the police are at his house.  

Yet Frost is making pornos at Gate 25.  But of course, no one had their phone out.

I remember with Moos it was that he was literally passed out drunk at Gate 25...and of course no one took a picture.  

 

[The Dude]

Mckenzie Milton had an incredible season that made Frost look like a much better coach than he is.

 

[Mavric]

Mckenzie Milton had an incredible season that made Frost look like a much better coach than he is.

Adrian Martinez had a pretty good year as a Freshman.  We were the #25 offense in the country, playing three Top 10 defenses.  After being the #87 offense the year before.  So it's not just one player.  Our defense was just pretty poor.

 

[The Dude]

Adrian Martinez had a pretty good year as a Freshman.  We were the #25 offense in the country, playing three Top 10 defenses.  After being the #87 offense the year before.  So it's not just one player.  Our defense was just pretty poor.

Pretty good, at least compared to Tanner Lee.  But not even close to the monster season Milton had.

If Milton threw for only 2,600 yards and 17 TDs that year, Frost would not have even been a candidate for the job.

 

[Fru]

Adrian Martinez had a pretty good year as a Freshman.  We were the #25 offense in the country, playing three Top 10 defenses.  After being the #87 offense the year before.  So it's not just one player.  Our defense was just pretty poor.

To piggy back on this, kind of another thing that I thought Scott took unnecessary heat for was the Burrow thing. Who among us was unhappy with AM after his freshman year? Who was wanting a change at that time? 

 

[Mavric]

Pretty good, at least compared to Tanner Lee.  But not even close to the monster season Milton had.

If Milton threw for only 2,600 yards and 17 TDs that year, Frost would not have even been a candidate for the job.

Pretty sure Milton didn't play against the same caliber of defenses.  Martinez was getting Heisman pub going into his sophomore season.

 

[Husker in WI]

To piggy back on this, kind of another thing that I thought Scott took unnecessary heat for was the Burrow thing. Who among us was unhappy with AM after his freshman year? Who was wanting a change at that time? 

Yeah, there are a lot of things that didn't age well but honestly were pretty great answers at the time. "You think he's better than what we've got?" was cold when it looked like Martinez was the one who would be in Heisman contention. I also loved the "I hope they have to adjust to us" line, which Lanning essentially copied this year. Just got to actually back those up, and it didn't happen.

I think he's probably a better coach than given credit for at this point, but man once things started going downhill he could not find a way forward. Thought it was interesting that Isaac Gifford talked about the team losing all the leaders after year 1. That still comes back to Frost needing to develop new leaders and hold them accountable, but I do think there were several small turning points that could have pretty drastically altered the Frost era. 

 

[Fru]

Yeah, there are a lot of things that didn't age well but honestly were pretty great answers at the time. "You think he's better than what we've got?" was cold when it looked like Martinez was the one who would be in Heisman contention. I also loved the "I hope they have to adjust to us" line, which Lanning essentially copied this year. Just got to actually back those up, and it didn't happen.

I think he's probably a better coach than given credit for at this point, but man once things started going downhill he could not find a way forward. Thought it was interesting that Isaac Gifford talked about the team losing all the leaders after year 1. That still comes back to Frost needing to develop new leaders and hold them accountable, but I do think there were several small turning points that could have pretty drastically altered the Frost era. 

I forgot Lanning basically said the same thing! Partially why I didn’t think it was such a big deal when Scott said it. It’s coach speak. So many of them say stuff like that. 
 

Agree on this. Like I alluded to in an earlier post, I don’t think his coaching experience prepared him well for the Neb rebuild and the Neb job in general. His coaching experience was a lot of smooth sailing and once he encountered rough waters he didn’t really know what to do. It just kind of snowballed. 

 

[gobiggergoredder]

Adrian Martinez had a pretty good year as a Freshman.  We were the #25 offense in the country, playing three Top 10 defenses.  After being the #87 offense the year before.  So it's not just one player.  Our defense was just pretty poor.

Martinez was a tough one when it comes to Frost's legacy.  I think Frost unfairly takes some heat on not getting another QB.  Specifically Burrow.  Why would you?  Martinez was the future and he showed it. Edit: @Fru had the same take.  Didn't see it when I was writing my reply.

The rest of Martinez career was full of highs and a low lows.  Frost went all in with Martinez, which I think most of us would have done, and it didn't pan out.  I thought Martinez was no good.  I followed what he did at K-State and I really didn't think it was much better than here.

That being said, he had a fantastic year the UFL.  Some of the plays he made were phenomenal.   He had some impressive throws in the NFL preseason last week.  I'm on the fence and just in general am going to take the high road from here on out.  Frost and Martinez was not a match.

As far as the Defense.  Something happened to Chins or it just got exploited worse towards the end.  They rarely ever brought pressure.  They'd send 3, sometimes 4 and NEVER get to the QB.  Hardly even move him around.  It was tough to watch.

 

[Husker in WI]

As far as the Defense.  Something happened to Chins or it just got exploited worse towards the end.  They rarely ever brought pressure.  They'd send 3, sometimes 4 and NEVER get to the QB.  Hardly even move him around.  It was tough to watch.

Yeah, that was confusing to me as well. I don't really know how to explain what happened the last year - there were plenty of Chins skeptics all along, and they were proven right. But using Defensive FEI, we went:

2017 - 98th (pre-Chinander)

2018 - 82nd

2019 - 48th

2020 - 57th (Covid year)

2021 - 15th (Best 3-9 team of all-time!)

2022 - 91st (Including games under Busch which were respectable - IIRC we were like 127th when Chins was fired)

Steady improvement until it just completely fell off a cliff. We did lose some studs from 2021 (CTB, Domann, Damion Daniels, Stille) but clearly there was still some talent based on their play under Busch. Eerily reminiscent of Cosgrove - people will rightfully remember them by their historically bad final years, but both of them were coming off of very good years immediately prior. On the surface there was very little reason to fire either of them going into 2007 or 2022. 

 

[Lorewarn]

Steady improvement until it just completely fell off a cliff. We did lose some studs from 2021 (CTB, Domann, Damion Daniels, Stille) but clearly there was still some talent based on their play under Busch. Eerily reminiscent of Cosgrove - people will rightfully remember them by their historically bad final years, but both of them were coming off of very good years immediately prior. On the surface there was very little reason to fire either of them going into 2007 or 2022. 

Not sure how to assess this entirely, but in my experience this is just generally what happens in the final year of a failed regime (at least at Nebraska).

When 2007 happened and the writing was on the wall for Callahan's staff, our defense fell off a cliff. People only remember Cosgrove as grossly incompetent because of the wheels coming off in '07, despite having a solid to championship caliber defense in '05 and '06.

Same thing with Riley's tenure. Diaco is easy to meme and is a genuinely strange guy and once again, defense turned into bunch of transparent ghosts once the staff lost the buy in from the players. It's not like Diaco has never coached good defenses before, but there's a mental threshold that gets hit where the players know the staff is heading for the guillotine. 

 

[The Dude]

Pretty sure Milton didn't play against the same caliber of defenses.  Martinez was getting Heisman pub going into his sophomore season.

For sure, but I'm still not sure what you're even trying to argue.  The fact that Frost's stock was through the roof, mostly because of Milton's monster season, has nothing to with Martinez. 

 

[Fru]

Martinez was a tough one when it comes to Frost's legacy.  I think Frost unfairly takes some heat on not getting another QB.  Specifically Burrow.  Why would you?  Martinez was the future and he showed it. Edit: @Fru had the same take.  Didn't see it when I was writing my reply.

The rest of Martinez career was full of highs and a low lows.  Frost went all in with Martinez, which I think most of us would have done, and it didn't pan out.  I thought Martinez was no good.  I followed what he did at K-State and I really didn't think it was much better than here.

That being said, he had a fantastic year the UFL.  Some of the plays he made were phenomenal.   He had some impressive throws in the NFL preseason last week.  I'm on the fence and just in general am going to take the high road from here on out.  Frost and Martinez was not a match.

As far as the Defense.  Something happened to Chins or it just got exploited worse towards the end.  They rarely ever brought pressure.  They'd send 3, sometimes 4 and NEVER get to the QB.  Hardly even move him around.  It was tough to watch.

A much as I appreciate AM as a player, I gotta admit, I’ve never seen a less clutch guy in my life. I can’t think of anyone that had opportunity after opportunity after opportunity for a signature win/moment and just blow it every time. I don’t think it was necessarily all his fault. I think the majority of the time he was basically told “Okay, go save us.” But even with the law of averages, you’d think it’d have gone our way at least once.