SCOTUS thread

teachercd said:
This is a great example of it!

People tend to run to the doom and gloom "Oh my god, now Company X is going to LITERALLY dump their ______________ directly into the water that my child drinks!!"

I don't know (or care) where this ruling impacts something like OSHA but if you ever had to deal with their rules, it is insane.  
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For many years I was an Operations Mgr - OSHA compliance was one of my responsibilities  - pain in the buttocks.  

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Moiraine said:
What about child psychologists?
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Not sure about all places but you most places you need a school psychologist certificate to actually be in the building working with kids.

Outside the building it would not matter.  

And with ever school shrink I have ever worked with, they have never even remotely mentioned school policy stuff.  

TGHusker said:
For many years I was an Operations Mgr - OSHA compliance was one of my responsibilities  - pain in the buttocks.  

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"Whooooaaaa, hey you, what are you doing, pouring gas?  How come you don't have your HAZMAT gear on?"

 
The Trump court protects Trump again - if not fully - in part. 

https://apnews.com/live/supreme-court-trump-presidential-immunity-updates

The majority also found that the immunity they recognized extends to the “outer perimeter” of the president’s official responsibilities, setting what appears to be a high bar for determining what conduct could potentially be prosecuted.

“In dividing official from unofficial conduct, courts may not inquire into the president’s motives,” Roberts wrote. “Nor may courts deem an action unofficial merely because it allegedly violates a generally applicable law.”

The opinion found Trump is “absolutely immune” from prosecution for alleged conduct involving discussions with the Justice Department.

Trump is also “at least presumptively immune” from allegations that he tried to pressure Pence to reject certification of the vote, Roberts wrote.

The majority did reject Trump’s arguments that the indictment should be dismissed, and that impeachment is a necessary step in the enforcement of the law.

 
commando said:
it depends on what you mean by "officially"

 clinton "it depends on what what the meaning of the word "is" is"
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Which can be:

1) litigated 

2) an impeachable offense 

3) SCOTUS narrowed their definition of official act, and it seems a very very very large plurality of lawyers on all sides of political spectrum said the Trump lawyers argument on “Seal Team 6” was ridiculous.  

 
Archy1221 said:
Which can be:

1) litigated 

2) an impeachable offense 

3) SCOTUS narrowed their definition of official act, and it seems a very very very large plurality of lawyers on all sides of political spectrum said the Trump lawyers argument on “Seal Team 6” was ridiculous.  
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So, an ex president (before leaving office) motivates and organizes a coup against our government and transfer of power......he is not immune to that?

 
BigRedBuster said:
So, an ex president (before leaving office) motivates and organizes a coup against our government and transfer of power......he is not immune to that?
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He has absolute immunity for official acts. SCOTUS has basically sent this to the lower courts to define what most "Official Acts" are, since they decided to let the lower courts separate "Official Acts" from "Unofficial Acts". From there, what constitutes an "Official Act" will be brought before SCOTUS from lower courts where it will be reduced, defined, and be shaped to be whatever the Federalist Society/Heritage Foundation wants it to be.

SCOTUS has basically made it so that it will be a very, very long time before Trump is tried for trying to subvert Democracy. Courts are going to spend a lot of time defining "Official Acts" and it will ultimately become whatever the Culture War Zeitgeist of the Republican Party wants it to be.

 
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BigRedBuster said:
So, an ex president (before leaving office) motivates and organizes a coup against our government and transfer of power......he is not immune to that?
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I seriously doubt it as they would not be official acts.   SCOTUS did hot have an all encompassing view that anything a President did while in office was an official act and even during the oral arguments, the Trump attorneys agreed that certain acts by Trump (while still in office) were not official acts.  

 
This ruling making presidents kings coming the week of July 4th is especially galling.


"The President of the United States is the most powerful person in the country, and possibly the world. When he uses his official powers in any way, under the majority’s reasoning, he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution. Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune. Let the President violate the law, let him exploit the trappings of his office for personal gain, let him use his official power for evil ends. Because if he knew that he may one day face liability for breaking the law, he might not be as bold and fearless as we would like him to be. That is the majority’s message today. Even if these nightmare scenarios never play out, and I pray they never do, the damage has been done. The relationship between the President and the people he serves has shifted irrevocably.
 

 
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