Should the NCAA change the FBS scholarship limit?

Hilltop said:
Plenty of examples- 

Some directly reference paying tuition

https://www.si.com/college/2021/08/12/byu-football-nil-deal-walk-on-tuition-built-bar

https://www.wibw.com/2022/04/17/k-state-athletes-surprised-with-paid-off-tuition/

While others just pay the whole team, including walk on players

https://businessofcollegesports.com/name-image-likeness/texas-tech-footballs-matador-club-partnership-continues-trend-of-team-wide-nil-deals/
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Right, but those are all guys who have already walked on. Nobody is recruiting 4-stars and stashing them as walk-ons with above-market NIL deals or anything. This can keep walk-ons from leaving, but how many of them would have been put on scholarship anyway - 2? 3? 

 
Husker in WI said:
Right, but those are all guys who have already walked on. Nobody is recruiting 4-stars and stashing them as walk-ons with above-market NIL deals or anything. This can keep walk-ons from leaving, but how many of them would have been put on scholarship anyway - 2? 3? 
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Of course- nobody was claiming that.  We are discussing scholarship limits and how it pertains to the Huskers currently being way over limit.  The reality is we can keep 105 guys if we want to- just need the 1890 to pay the additional 20 guys tuition instead of UNL.

The schools with deep enough pockets are already selectively recruiting the borderline 2-3 star guys who would maybe get a scholarship at a lesser school and trying to talk them into NIL tuition deals to come as a walk on.  This isn't happening everywhere yet but it will be standard within the next few years.  

 
Hilltop said:
Of course- nobody was claiming that.  We are discussing scholarship limits and how it pertains to the Huskers currently being way over limit.  The reality is we can keep 105 guys if we want to- just need the 1890 to pay the additional 20 guys tuition instead of UNL.

The schools with deep enough pockets are already selectively recruiting the borderline 2-3 star guys who would maybe get a scholarship at a lesser school and trying to talk them into NIL tuition deals to come as a walk on.  This isn't happening everywhere yet but it will be standard within the next few years.  
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We aren't going to keep 20 guys that should be on scholarship somewhere here with NIL.

 
BigRedBuster said:
We aren't going to keep 20 guys that should be on scholarship somewhere here with NIL.
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Yep. Those guys get a scholarship AND NIL dollars.

And while we’re on the subject. I thought the players had to do a little something other than simply being on the team to get NIL dollars. Spokesperson, advertising, appearances…something. Maybe I’m wrong and I know it’s an extremely low hurdle but I don’t think they can receive money simply because they’re on the team.

The other deals of tuition being paid look to be a reward for a track record of contributing, much like when we reward a walk-on with a schollie after 2-3 years. I think NIL could be used in place of that, so yeah it may help expand the 85 limit a bit but I’m very doubtful it will be used to effectively raise the number into the 105 range.

 
JJ Husker said:
And while we’re on the subject. I thought the players had to do a little something other than simply being on the team to get NIL dollars. Spokesperson, advertising, appearances…something. Maybe I’m wrong and I know it’s an extremely low hurdle but I don’t think they can receive money simply because they’re on the team.
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Yeah....that seems to be something that has been forgotten by everyone involved.

Again...how do you police it?

 
It all sounds great, but its not that feasible in practice to give kids a scholarship based on NIL.

Tuition/housing + books + meals + football stipend has to be close to $60k/year.  Then that would also be taxable, so now you're up to about $80k/year.  Say you want to do this for 5 guys, so that is $400k.  The money is finite.  Wouldn't that $400k be better used to get 1-2 top players than to use on projects (numbers 86-90 on your roster)?

Also, no kid is going to choose a NIL scholarship over a real scholarship.  Real scholarships are guaranteed for 4 years per B1G rules.  If you get hurt or don't want to play football anymore, a real scholarship can still let you go to school for free.  Do you think if you get hurt and can't play anymore that there is still going to be a NIL scholarship for you?

 
Hilltop said:
I never said they were meaningless - I said they are meaning less than they previously did due to NIL.  In other words, the scholarship cap doesn't matter nearly as much as it previously did because schools have a way to get tuition paid for their walk on players.  This is already happening at many schools.  The school is allowed to pay 85 directly but then the collectives can pay the tuition of an additional 20 making the cap pointless really.  
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Understand.  Don’t disagree.

you could have the entire team go to school for free and the 12-17th guy is going to transfer.  Some of the smaller schools are getting their top talent stolen.

 
runningblind said:
I feel like when the NCAA starts trying to enforce that, the top conferences will finally just break away and be done with them. 
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OK, I get that people think that.  But, what really do they gain?  They still will need to have a governing body that brings structure and organization to the sport.  More than there is now anyway.

If they don't like the NCAA, they have all the power to change it.  

 
BigRedBuster said:
OK, I get that people think that.  But, what really do they gain?  They still will need to have a governing body that brings structure and organization to the sport.  More than there is now anyway.

If they don't like the NCAA, they have all the power to change it.  
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Youre correct that they would still need governance. However, NCAA rules have to account for all sports at all levels. I could see the top football/basketball conferences establishing their own governance outside the NCAA. The other sports could still reside under the NCAA umbrella.

 
hskrpwr13 said:
Youre correct that they would still need governance. However, NCAA rules have to account for all sports at all levels. I could see the top football/basketball conferences establishing their own governance outside the NCAA. The other sports could still reside under the NCAA umbrella.
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I don't see that happening.  If a school takes football or basketball (or both) out of the NCAA, all their sports will be taken out.

But, hey....I never thought they would produce the s#!t show we have now.

 
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