so, listening to Sharp and Benning in the morning

husker_99 said:
74Hunter said:
husker_99 said:
74Hunter said:
husker_99 said:
I want to see more than just 9 wins and a bowl game.
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We've already done that, if you want to split hairs. Anyhow, contrary to the beliefs of the #9whiners, we ALL want that.

Some think that blowing the whole thing up and starting over new is the right thing, doesn't matter if that brings 3 win seasons with no guarantees of anything better. Some of us feel that 9+ wins and the chance to play for conference championships every other year is better than the possibility of a losing season and losing the sellout streak.
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So add 1 more win. a couple of sesaons. big whoop dee do. There is a better chance we lose the sellout streak to Bo because of mediocrity. Under Callahan we knew it was his last season but if Bo is here another couple of years things could change if there is no improvement. Stagnation is the worst because after a while people will care less. Atleast if Bo had a down year you can blame on it too many good players left but when you can compile the same record with new players just with all the seniors nothing really to get excited about. If injuries become a problem once again this year the talk will heat up.
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Yeah, the day that our "fans" quit showing up when we're winning 9/10 games a year just proves that Bo was right, and it will cement the fact that they are indeed entitled and spoiled.

If you think that ANY coach could get away with a sub .500 season around here, well then I've got some groovy ocean front property in Sidnet to sell you.

Lastly, making the jump from 9/10 wins and actually playing for championships to winning championships is much smaller than blowing the whole thing up and going with the unknown. Not to mention, they're putting together what may be their best recruiting class, and I'd hate to lose that momentum.
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we are getting farther and farther away from a conference championship. We got our a$$ kicked last time. We are also getting taken to the woodshed against the better teams and have complete breakdowns where we lose to teams we shouldn't and it happens too much. When was the last time we had a win over a good ranked team? 2011 Michigan St? Now we are getting to the point where getting ranked is starting to become a problem. If not corrected how much farther do we slide under Bo?
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Good questions, I guess I'll answer the last one, probably when we get the the level of the last coach we fired. But I'm not making those decisions.

Listen, I'd be all for a change if there was somebody out there, a realistic candidate (no show clause) who was guaranteed to be better, but there just isn't that guy right now. Probably the best we could hope for right now would be Gill or Frost, those that would realistically come here.

 
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Listen, I'd be all for a change if there was somebody out there, a realistic candidate (no show clause) who was guaranteed to be better, but there just isn't that guy right now. Probably the best we could hope for right now would be Gill or Frost, those that would realistically come here.
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i think this is where a lot of disagreement comes from. and no one really knows who would come here or not until the issue is breached. but also, there will never be that guarantee.

i get why bo is still here and it makes sense. he is doing good enough, so why pay a ton of money for the risk. let him ride out his contract a little more and hope for the best. he has proved he can field an elite defense and a good offense. he needs to put it all together. but i think eichorst should have a list (every ad always should), and i think he should not be afraid to go for quality coaches.

 
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74Hunter said:
Listen, I'd be all for a change if there was somebody out there, a realistic candidate (no show clause) who was guaranteed to be better, but there just isn't that guy right now. Probably the best we could hope for right now would be Gill or Frost, those that would realistically come here.
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i think this is where a lot of disagreement comes from. and no one really knows who would come here or not until the issue is breached. but also, there will never be that guarantee.

i get why bo is still here and it makes sense. he is doing good enough, so why pay a ton of money for the risk. let him ride out his contract a little more and hope for the best. he has proved he can field an elite defense and a good offense. he needs to put it all together. but i think eichorst should have a list (every ad always should), and i think he should not be afraid to go for quality coaches.
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I don't disagree, but this was the gist of this thread....it's no longer 1997, this job doesn't have the cache it used to, even though there is a faction of our fanbase that thinks it is and does.

People calling for an upheaval won't be pleased. Well, the #9whiners will never be pleased.....

 
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People calling for an upheaval won't be pleased. Well, the #9whiners will never be pleased.....
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a conference champ would shut up a lot of people. heck, consistent, competitive play would appease quite a few people.

but i think that nebraska has the resources that it should not keep a coach just because it is afraid of trying to get another; and i am not saying that bo should go at this point, but the ad should decide whether to keep him or not based on performance.

 
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we are getting farther and farther away from a conference championship. We got our a$$ kicked last time. We are also getting taken to the woodshed against the better teams and have complete breakdowns where we lose to teams we shouldn't and it happens too much. When was the last time we had a win over a good ranked team? 2011 Michigan St? Now we are getting to the point where getting ranked is starting to become a problem. If not corrected how much farther do we slide under Bo?
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99, I think most Husker fans will say they aren't satisfied or content with perpetually remaining in 9 win limbo, failing to win conference titles and suffering blowout losses. Everything you mention frustrates me, too. And as I've said many times before, I completely understand the arguments to fire Pelini. There's a lot of validity to them. But, there's also validity to the arguments supporting Bo. You may find them less substantive, but they have foundation.

Pelini is trying to change the way he does things to be more successful. We knew when we hired him this would be a building project. It's certainly taken longer than many of us predicted/hoped, but we are where we are. But, as I said, he's trying. He's trying to do right by the fans, media, his players, and most importantly, nobody wants to win as bad as he does. He know he's in a high pressure job and it's all up to him to win.

To answer your question, I think Pelini has a couple of seasons to figure this out still. But, he will have to win a conference title soon if he wants to stay, and I think that's a reasonable expectation for us as fans. Plus, he will have to at least maintain what he's done. I think sinking will end up in his firing. My advice is root for the team and let the chips fall where they may. Either we'll get better, or we'll get worse, Bo will be gone and many will get their wish.

 
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Myself and almost every other fan didn't think it was possible. There is honestly nothing wrong with me thinking that they aren't an elite team. I was proved wrong, and I can admit that, but its not like Stanford had a top 25 offense going into the Rose Bowl. How many top 25 offenses did MSU have to face all year? I can tell you... 2. Nebraska and Ohio State. Not hard to tally up "the best defense in the nation" when most of the teams you face barely crack a top 50 offense.
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Hmmm, I wonder if you'd feel the same way if it was Nebraska that had a top defense year after year after year.

Sooner or later you just have to admit that maybe they're pretty dang good.
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Okay The Dude, I never said they were a bad team. Their defense is pretty good, but I don't think they are an elite TEAM. Their offense was average and their defense was above average, and in some people's eyes, they are up there at the top. The only two top offensive teams MSU faced, their defense was torn apart. This is all I am saying. NU, 5 turnovers, losing the T.O.P. still hurt them worse than any previous team and Ohio St did a number on them. Remember, MSU didn't beat tOSU single handily, while 90% of this board (including myself) said tOSU was overrated. If they were overrated, and they almost beat this ELITE team, then something has to give. They were good, but not elite.

But I am not going to sit here and keep having this debate. I have my opinion, you have yours. NUPolo has his. This has gone into way too much of a b!^@h fest. I don't have the will to continue this.
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Unless I missed the part where Michigan St made the hot tag and someone else helped beat Ohio St, I'm pretty sure Michigan St single handedly beat OSU.
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Bah Gawd, business has just picked up.

 
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74Hunter said:
Some of us feel that 9+ wins and the chance to play for conference championships every other year is better than the possibility of a losing season and losing the sellout streak.
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What is it that is so perplexing about that post?
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Not so much perplexing as wondering.

I continue to be impressed by the clairvoyance that allows anyone anyone to state that we have to choose between Bo and his 4 loss floor/ceiling or a losing season/lost sell out streak.

 
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No sample? Umm, yeah........the sample(s) to analyzing the risk have been done repeatedly on here. Usually concluding with comments from those more willing to take the risk by terms such as clairvoyance or fear. As the AD, Eichorst has analyzed the risk and we are well aware of his decision.

 
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No sample? Umm, yeah........the sample(s) to analyzing the risk have been done repeatedly on here. Usually concluding with comments from those more willing to take the risk by terms such as clairvoyance or fear. As the AD, Eichorst has analyzed the risk and we are well aware of his decision.
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For now.

 
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