Spring Position Battles - Quarterback

[Redux]

As I stated before, my assumption is that the coaches didn't really plan for their QB to go rouge with the play so why call a timeout?

You like to request proof, where is this proof that the play was all out of whack?

(Also I bet they were a little hesitant to call a timeout given that calling one late against BYU very well could have cost them a win there)

As much as it pains me to be in agreement with cm, what you're talking about makes no sense.

If you don't call a timeout in the situation, the clock runs all the way through the game clock and you hope/think that it will keep running after the play is over.

If you do call a timeout in the situation, you lose 1 second of game clock that otherwise would have been running, but you make absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, certain that everyone is on exactly the same page. They were out of formation. If the only real cost is one extra second when Illinois would have been left with less than :15 total, and the payoff is potentially avoiding disaster, you see them out of formation and that is an easy, automatic decision to make.

The BYU scenario couldn't be more different.

But were they actually out of formation, I'm honestly asking here.
What I am talking about is the coaches expecting TA to run the play they called, they weren't aware he didn't know what play he was supposed to run.

And in the BYU game I'm talking about how they called a timeout right before they got the ball back and essentially gifted them an extra 20 seconds or so.

Heres the thing, I was and still am very critical of many of the decisions made by the coaching staff in the first couple months of the season. BYU and Illinois inparticular. I'm not so stubborn that I won't admit that, hell look back at threads from those games and you will probably find me losing my sh#t.

Now cm? He can't come to grips with the fact that Tommy is partly to blame for anything. And it's not even about that, it all boils down to him being pissy still about the Riley hire. He just nitpicks sh#t to make his case look stronger.

If the coaching staff struggles with game management this year, I'll be more concerned and his claims will hold some weight. Until then, I'm chalking 90% of his issues up to a rough transition year and his bias.

 

[cm husker]

Yes, they were out of formation. The coaches and carter talked about it after the game.

FYI, I'm fine with the hire and like Riley's demeanor if not his system. What I don't like is the vilification of the past staff, the different standards imposed on each, and the scapegoating of players to justify the failures of this past season.

Also, for the record, i didn't bring up Illinois. As I recall, it was (and often is) brought up as an example of what a "lack in football IQ" that Armstrong allegedly suffers from.

In reality, the mismanagement at the end of the game was far more indicative of coaching struggles than Armstrong struggles.

 

[Mavric]

Langsdorf on senior quarterback Tommy Armstrong's spring: "Overall, it was pretty good. There's been some times when we've turned the ball over. We've just got to learn to eliminate those throws, those bad decisions, inaccurate throws. But I think he's got a much better handle of what we're doing. He's much more comfortable than this time last year, for sure."

OWH

 

[Elf]

Yup, coaches made some mistakes in that game.

Is it impossible for you to admit Tommy made a lot of mistakes?

He made no more than a standard number that most players make, including a number of guys who made a similar mistake on that play. Again, he was going for a first down on 3rd and 7 with a minute left. I don't think it's as boneheaded as you are painting it.

Now, the mistake the coaches made was boneheaded, and it was a nonstandard error.

What exactly is this standard number of errors that most players make?

Standard? Probably 4 to 6 per game, of varying degrees of consequence.

And who came up with this "standard"?

 

[Sargon]

Vilify huh cm? Drama queen. Whether you like it or not most fans will forever remember Bo accurately which is as a narcissistic a-hole with inadequate HC acumen to keep his job.

Scapegoating huh cm? That pass he threw (that he shouldn't have), he threw because [SIZE=15.5556px]he always makes live fire decision mistakes[/SIZE] he could see it was the most open, simple, short pass target he's ever seen. Then he choked it.

 

[Elf]

I have to say that in the nearly 40 years I've been watching football, today is the first time I've ever seen or heard of a "standard number of errors" by a player or even a coach.

I'm left wondering why I never got this memo...

 

[Elf]

Passing when a run was called is a "standard mistake"?

In all fairness the terminology on the play itself was confusing and has since been corrected. You are correct that a run play was called by the coaches. Due to some issue with the terminology used (I forget what it was exactly) some of the players thought it was a pass play.

 

[Elf]

Vilify huh cm? Drama queen. Whether you like it or not most fans will forever remember Bo accurately which is as a narcissistic a-hole with inadequate HC acumen to keep his job.

Scapegoating huh cm? That pass he threw (that he shouldn't have), he threw because he always makes live fire decision mistakes he could see it was the most open, simple, short pass target he's ever seen. Then he choked it.

If Bo could have gotten along with his bosses he would probably still be our coach. Its your job (not you personally) to get along with your boss because if you don't you will find yourself out of a job sooner rather than later.

 

[cm husker]

Yup, coaches made some mistakes in that game.

Is it impossible for you to admit Tommy made a lot of mistakes?

He made no more than a standard number that most players make, including a number of guys who made a similar mistake on that play. Again, he was going for a first down on 3rd and 7 with a minute left. I don't think it's as boneheaded as you are painting it.

Now, the mistake the coaches made was boneheaded, and it was a nonstandard error.

What exactly is this standard number of errors that most players make?

Standard? Probably 4 to 6 per game, of varying degrees of consequence.

And who came up with this "standard"?

Basing that off of what a lot of guys did in terms of grades at Nebraska and when I was playing. Perfect assignment games were very very rare.

 

[cm husker]

Passing when a run was called is a "standard mistake"?

In all fairness the terminology on the play itself was confusing and has since been corrected. You are correct that a run play was called by the coaches. Due to some issue with the terminology used (I forget what it was exactly) some of the players thought it was a pass play.

The play call was a pass play with a "run designation" (i.e., it was "tagged" run). That's the point of confusion. That last word of designation was either dropped or missed by the team.

 

[cm husker]

Vilify huh cm? Drama queen. Whether you like it or not most fans will forever remember Bo accurately which is as a narcissistic a-hole with inadequate HC acumen to keep his job.

Scapegoating huh cm? That pass he threw (that he shouldn't have), he threw because he always makes live fire decision mistakes he could see it was the most open, simple, short pass target he's ever seen. Then he choked it.

Accusations of narcissism from a guy that is sporting the poster boy as his avatar. That qualifies as irony, I think.

And Armstrkng doesn't "always make live fire mistakes." Quit making sh#t up about our player to excuse a poor sequence by the coaches.

 

[Sargon]

Vilify huh cm? Drama queen. Whether you like it or not most fans will forever remember Bo accurately which is as a narcissistic a-hole with inadequate HC acumen to keep his job.

Scapegoating huh cm? That pass he threw (that he shouldn't have), he threw because he always makes live fire decision mistakes he could see it was the most open, simple, short pass target he's ever seen. Then he choked it.

If Bo could have gotten along with his bosses he would probably still be our coach. Its your job (not you personally) to get along with your boss because if you don't you will find yourself out of a job sooner rather than later.

Lucky for (most of) us that Bo hated SE and couldn't didn't hide it.

 

[wanderful]

As I said before, plenty of blame to go around for that play, both players and coaches. But none if it seems like ineptitude to me as much as it seems like a cascading series of bad breaks (players getting the play wrong, coaches not noticing in time to call a time out, TA not taking the sack, Ozigbo not being able to catch the ball that was slightly behind him). Anyone of those 4 things go right, then Nebraska probably wins the game, but all 4 went wrong.

But to me, it seems pretty unfair to assign inordinate amounts of blame on the coaches for not calling a timeout in response to the wrong formation, as you can clearly see the players are still rushing to get to the line right before TA snapped the ball. It's not like they were just sitting there in formation, waiting for him to snap it, they were just breaking the huddle with 6 on the play clock and getting to the line with 3. Here's the link again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcZ5ovK30G0?t=2h13m53s

EDIT: watching it once more, I can't help but think that TA thinks he's going to be handing the ball off to Ozigbo. Look at the way he shifts the ball awkwardly between hands to throw it. Maybe we'll never know what really know for sure what happened on that play.

 

[Elf]

Vilify huh cm? Drama queen. Whether you like it or not most fans will forever remember Bo accurately which is as a narcissistic a-hole with inadequate HC acumen to keep his job.

Scapegoating huh cm? That pass he threw (that he shouldn't have), he threw because he always makes live fire decision mistakes he could see it was the most open, simple, short pass target he's ever seen. Then he choked it.

Accusations of narcissism from a guy that is sporting the poster boy as his avatar. That qualifies as irony, I think.

And Armstrkng doesn't "always make live fire mistakes." Quit making sh#t up about our player to excuse a poor sequence by the coaches.

He makes live fire mistakes nearly every game.

I would agree, the coaches certainly could have done better, but Tommy could've as well.

 

[Elf]

Yup, coaches made some mistakes in that game.

Is it impossible for you to admit Tommy made a lot of mistakes?

He made no more than a standard number that most players make, including a number of guys who made a similar mistake on that play. Again, he was going for a first down on 3rd and 7 with a minute left. I don't think it's as boneheaded as you are painting it.

Now, the mistake the coaches made was boneheaded, and it was a nonstandard error.

What exactly is this standard number of errors that most players make?

Standard? Probably 4 to 6 per game, of varying degrees of consequence.

And who came up with this "standard"?

Basing that off of what a lot of guys did in terms of grades at Nebraska and when I was playing. Perfect assignment games were very very rare.

So its just some bs you made up?