Spring Quarterback Competition
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SouthLincoln Husker
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I see one of the 3 QBs leaving after spring, so the coaches are looking at the backups to see who is 2, 3 & 4.
BigRedBuster
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That is one heck of a lot of assumption based on a snap shot of one throw from each. No QB throws perfectly every time and no QB at this level throws poorly every time. You don't know what the normal throwing motion is of a guy is by a snap shot of one throw.
Hedley Lamarr
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Who's the more natural thrower?
NUance
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+1. I feel exactly the same way. It seems like the first time a coach has a bad game everybody goes into knee-jerk reaction mode and calls for his head. But the penalty for coaching changes is absolutely huge. Generally it means losing most of the recruiting class, something that affects the team for three or four years going forward. And we end up with players who may not have the skill set to run the new guys offense and defense. And finally, regardless of how well our players are suited to running the new schemes, they will still need to learn whole new playbooks on each side of the ball. Basically, anytime we change coaches we can plan on flushing one or two seasons down the shitter. That, and having to pay out several million in buyout money. So I'm generally the last guy to call for a coaches head.
That said, after several seasons of the same result it becomes clear that the guy--Pelini in this case--just isn't going to get us to the next level. I was loyal to Pelini right up to the end. I'll admit I was frustrated after the Wisconsin debacle last season. But even then I wasn't in the pitchforks and torches crowd. I have to admit though, I wasn't the least bit upset when Eichorst pulled the trigger. In fact, I really think it worked out quite nicely for us. I think Riley is a diamond in the rough. He was drastically undervalued being stuck at Oregon State. And Eichorst performed such an incredibly seamless transition, coupled with some fine recruiting efforts on Riley's part, that we pretty much kept our 2015 recruiting class intact.
admo
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I agree. It's probable they want extra looks to see who they can work with. The most important position in football is not going to be handed over if there are too many question marks.
Interesting. Who would it be? Surely it wouldn't be Stanton or Bush leaving because the opportunity to start is right in front of them for the taking.
admo
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Bush. A week into spring Mike Riley said he throws a beautiful ball. That's high praise enough. Aside from that, I'm not sure Bush has the internal toughness that TA has out on the field. TA is very competitive, a physical runner with a strong arm. But it's smarts (knowing where to go with the ball) and accuracy (getting the ball there) that Riley and Langsdorf have mentioned several times with what they want from a QB. It makes sense.
ColoradoHusk
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I think Stanton would leave if he is behind Bush after Spring practice. It would take a lot for Armstrong to get beat out in the fall, and if Stanton is still #3, then I could see him going some place closer to Cali and a system that would use his running ability.
Mavric
Yoda
Your're right. It's just a crazy coincidence that every pick post of TA is depicting bad mechanics. The photographers have it out for him.
If only we had ... say ... 20+ games worth of tape on him. Then we'd have a more complete analysis.
I'm pretty convinced that this point that TA will run out of eligibility before people run out of excuses for him.
2012 - He got thrown in there and didn't have any time to work with the receivers
2013 - Our coaches are terrible. If we only had a real QB coach we'd see progress.
2014 - Probably something like he's learning an entirely new system. You have to give the new coaches time to work with him
2015 - Something else we can dream up.
Mavric
Yoda
Bush has his upper arm fully extended away from his body. 180 degree angle (or more) between his chest and his upper arm with the shoulder as the fulcrum. His upper arm is angled upwards as he prepares to deliver a more over-the-top throw with a high release point. Also, his lower arm is laid all the way back so the ball is almost behind his shoulder which causes the ball to be pointed almost vertically. His body is already leaning slightly to his right as he is beginning to transfer his weight to his right foot and drive the ball now that he has created a lot of "lag" between his right shoulder and his left elbow (similar to a golfer lagging the clubhead behind their hands just before reaches impact).
I'd go through that whole spiel with TA but it's probably pretty obvious that he's not quite there on all those points. The biggest one is the lesser angle between the chest and upper arm. He's counting on his arm strength to muscle the throw instead of throwing with the entire right side of his body - hips, chest, shoulder and arm.
And, no. You're mechanics don't change that drastically between throws - not if you're a consistent passer anyway. Obviously if you're throwing on the run or under pressure you have to adjust to get the pass away. But throwing all alone in the middle of a field? No.
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admo
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The receiver is at the same spot coming off the shadow.
Follow the hash marks because that's the direction of the pass.
Now look at the lead foot for both QBs in comparison.
Tommy's front foot is to the side, planted, and pointing at the receiver. Even though he is throwing it in front of receiver (the route).
Bush has his front foot in front of him, and pointing to a spot in front of the receiver.
Don't know if it's natural or something worked on, but just off of that, AJ will be on target more often than Tommy. It definitely looks proper.
