Tangent Thread - December 2015 Edition

[Guy Chamberlin]

i have to reevaluate my thoughts on how great TO was now that i know that all his 10 point losses were blowouts. i never realized how often he did get blown out by the 10 point rule i have recently learned about.

Point to one game where TO had to score 29 points to pull within 10.

Hell, point to one where he scored 15 points just to get within 10.

Or ever lost to a team as bad as Purdue.

As you probably know, Osborne had big humiliating losses to Oklahoma. Some of those scores:

27-0

35-10

38-7

27-7

45-10

Some of those Oklahoma teams were pretty legendary. But Nebraska came into some of those games ranked higher. The 45 - 10 loss came to an unranked Oklahoma in 1990. In one of those games, the Nebraska offense never hiked the ball in Oklahoma territory.

Osborne lost to Miami 23-3 and 22-0, Georgia Tech 45-21, FSU 41-17 and 41-28 to UCLA in a game where Nebraska came out totally flat and fell behind 28-0 in the first quarter. An Osborne team stacked with past and future National Championship talent got shut out by Arizona State 19-0 in 1996.

Those were losses to pretty good teams. But they sure felt like blowouts at the time.

Did Osborne lose to a team as bad as Purdue? Unranked Syracuse in '84, unranked Colorado in '86 and unranked Iowa State in '92 come close, and those Husker teams were loaded with talent. They just had bad days.

Not bad for a 27 year career, but it's not like Tom Osborne teams never had clunkers.

 

[cm husker]

Let me put it simply:

NU played only 4 teams this year with equal or better talent (if that).

If well coached, NU should split those games and maybe lose 1 game to an inferior opponent.

That puts NU at 9 wins on the regular season.

Even if you want to argue we don't have national championship level talent, and I won't disagree, no one can convince me that this team should have finished with less than 8 losses. Finishing worse than 8-4 is reflective of massive coaching failures, and that needs to be admitted before moving forward. Deflecting that basic conclusion by referencing "Mule" players is simply disingenuous.

I don't disagree, but it was a failure of player buyin instead of massive coaching failures The players showed that was true during the Michigan St. game and beyond.

I don't buy the "buy in" theory for a number of reasons, but to the extent that's true, that's on the coaches for not properly motivating the team.

I won't say more because that whole argument is based on an invention of imagination and not actual evidence.

Maybe you missed it when a couple of players admitted it.

Yeah, how about you post a link.

I imgaine you are thinking of Gerry and some invented others.

Gerry's comment didn't say at all what you (and some others) have read into it. Feel free to post the quotes and their full contexts.

 

[cm husker]

i have to reevaluate my thoughts on how great TO was now that i know that all his 10 point losses were blowouts. i never realized how often he did get blown out by the 10 point rule i have recently learned about.

Point to one game where TO had to score 29 points to pull within 10.

Hell, point to one where he scored 15 points just to get within 10.

Or ever lost to a team as bad as Purdue.

As you probably know, Osborne had big humiliating losses to Oklahoma. Some of those scores:

27-0

35-10

38-7

27-7

45-10

Some of those Oklahoma teams were pretty legendary. But Nebraska came into some of those games ranked higher. The 45 - 10 loss came to an unranked Oklahoma in 1990. In one of those games, the Nebraska offense never hiked the ball in Oklahoma territory.

Osborne lost to Miami 23-3 and 22-0, Georgia Tech 45-21, FSU 41-17 and 41-28 to UCLA in a game where Nebraska came out totally flat and fell behind 28-0 in the first quarter. An Osborne team stacked with past and future National Championship talent got shut out by Arizona State 19-0 in 1996.

Those were losses to pretty good teams. But they sure felt like blowouts at the time.

Did Osborne lose to a team as bad as Purdue? Unranked Syracuse in '84, unranked Colorado in '86 and unranked Iowa State in '92 come close, and those Husker teams were loaded with talent. They just had bad days.

Not bad for a 27 year career, but it's not like Tom Osborne teams never had clunkers.

I know Osborne had some bad losses. In fact, his teams were blown out on (rare) occassion.

No one's ever argued otherwise. The contention was that "all his 10 point losses were blowouts. "

Clearly that's not at all true, as TO never had a team fight back to within 10 points just to make a blow out situation look respectable.

The person who wrote the quoted portion above was trying to wrongly treat all 10 point losses the same. When, indeed, they can be quite different (just like 20 point losses).

 

[NUance]

Also, just checked and it looks like you didn't get booted from BRB until around 2009 or 2010. You made it longer than most!

Are you a member of BRB? If not, when did *you* get booted?

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

Sure, Osborne teams did not fight back as well as Riley teams.

But why do you have to bash Tom Osborne? Especially this close to Christmas?

 

[Elf]

Also, just checked and it looks like you didn't get booted from BRB until around 2009 or 2010. You made it longer than most!

Are you a member of BRB? If not, when did *you* get booted?

I was a member, when BRB first split from Huskerpedia. I got the boot in mid November of 2007. In fact, a lot of us did.

 

[cm husker]

Sure, Osborne teams did not fight back as well as Riley teams.

But why do you have to bash Tom Osborne? Especially this close to Christmas?

The point.

Try your best to catch it as it flies over

 

[TheSker]

But since I also demanded a team that was competitive in every game and looked worthy of ranked competition, I can't declare it a disaster. Just a very weird season.

I'm gonna say that both players and coaches have to get better next year.

Pretty sure they'd agree.

I'm looking forward to it.

Mike Riley has made a career of weird seasons. Beat a ranked team and lose to the Sacramento States and Purdues of the world.

Is that your hope for the future of Nebraska football?

 

[Elf]

You don't think "hating Frank & Bo and Loving Callahan" is a bit too strong for pretty much anyone in this spirited conversation?

No.

But you're free to disagree.

I cant recall more than one person liking Bill Callahan more than Frank Solich.

Go to bigredboard. Luckily, the Internet figured out a way to quarantine them.

Bigredboard doesn't accept new members and hasn't since they purged anyone who didn't hate Tom Osborne and refused to toe the line. That's been years now. There is very little a guest can view, almost all of their posts are hidden from the public. They have at least 3 layers of hidden forums and that's only counting if you are a member. (lol)

All of your "bigredboard" comparisons are pretty silly, probably time to drop it.

Do you know what quarantine means? You must, cuz you just described it.

If you do indeed know what a quarantine is, why do you insist on people going to bigredboard?

I didn't mean for him to join. I meant that is where he could go to find the people that he thought were so scarce.

You can't even do that, it's all hidden from view unless you are a member.

sigh.

It was more of a figurative comment to say "Here's where they are."

As to viewing if you're not a member, there are other ways.

So basically, you are only telling people that to be a jerk?

 

[HuskerNBigD]

For reference, here are the current Huskers who made the lists last year (they added a third-team this year):

Coaches:

Collins - 2nd Team

Foltz - Honorable Mention

Gerry - Honorable Mention

Lewis - Honorable Mention

Media:

Gerry - 2nd Team

Collins - Honorable Mention

Lewis - Honorable Mention

So we have more talent this year than last. Interesting.

Funny how that works, sans the narratives.

I would trade a Randy Gregory type player for Gerry and Lewis in a heartbeat.

Pretty sure DPE was All-Conference special teams

For reference, here are the current Huskers who made the lists last year (they added a third-team this year):

Coaches:

Collins - 2nd Team

Foltz - Honorable Mention

Gerry - Honorable Mention

Lewis - Honorable Mention

Media:

Gerry - 2nd Team

Collins - Honorable Mention

Lewis - Honorable Mention

So we have more talent this year than last. Interesting.

No we dont.

Here's a list of individuals who were all conference and no longer on the team. Riddle me this, batman, which one is longer?

Coaches:

Kenny Bell (1st Team)

Ameer Abdullah (2nd Team)

Zaire Anderson (Honorable Mention)

Jake Cotton (Honorable Mention)

Josh Mitchell (Honorable Mention)

Media:

Randy Gregory (1st Team)

Ameer Abdullah (2nd Team)

Zaire Anderson (Honorable Mention)

Kenny Bell (HM)

Corey Cooper (Honorable Mention)

Jake Cotton (Honorable Mention)

Josh Mitchell (Honorable Mention)

 

[teachercd]

Sooooo, Riley's close losses are better than TO's!

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

Sure, Osborne teams did not fight back as well as Riley teams.

But why do you have to bash Tom Osborne? Especially this close to Christmas?

The point.

Try your best to catch it as it flies over

My post.

Read it again.

If I'm going to go to the trouble of playfully insulting you, the least you can do is pick up on it.

 

[StPaulHusker]

I would like to report the posts above for referencing other message boards.

 

[GBRedneck]

I would like to report the posts above for referencing other message boards.

I considered that before posting, but since you can't join that board, it's not like they're competition.

 

[GBRedneck]

Also, just checked and it looks like you didn't get booted from BRB until around 2009 or 2010. You made it longer than most!

Are you a member of BRB? If not, when did *you* get booted?

I got booted about 2 days after I joined in '04!

 

[GBRedneck]

You don't think "hating Frank & Bo and Loving Callahan" is a bit too strong for pretty much anyone in this spirited conversation?

No.

But you're free to disagree.

I cant recall more than one person liking Bill Callahan more than Frank Solich.

Go to bigredboard. Luckily, the Internet figured out a way to quarantine them.

Bigredboard doesn't accept new members and hasn't since they purged anyone who didn't hate Tom Osborne and refused to toe the line. That's been years now. There is very little a guest can view, almost all of their posts are hidden from the public. They have at least 3 layers of hidden forums and that's only counting if you are a member. (lol)

All of your "bigredboard" comparisons are pretty silly, probably time to drop it.

Do you know what quarantine means? You must, cuz you just described it.

If you do indeed know what a quarantine is, why do you insist on people going to bigredboard?

I didn't mean for him to join. I meant that is where he could go to find the people that he thought were so scarce.

You can't even do that, it's all hidden from view unless you are a member.

sigh.

It was more of a figurative comment to say "Here's where they are."

As to viewing if you're not a member, there are other ways.

So basically, you are only telling people that to be a jerk?

No. Did you follow the conversation at all? Your earlier confusion about what I said led to this whole derailment.

He said he only knew of one person that hated Frank and loved Bill. I pointed him to a whole board full of them.

 

[GBRedneck]

Also, just checked and it looks like you didn't get booted from BRB until around 2009 or 2010. You made it longer than most!

Are you a member of BRB? If not, when did *you* get booted?

I was a member, when BRB first split from Huskerpedia. I got the boot in mid November of 2007. In fact, a lot of us did.

So you didn't post as "Elf" over there?