Tangent Thread - P&R Edition
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admo
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Sorry your feelings got hurt in the PR forum. You can still change, and then we can have a convo.
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funhusker
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Enhance
Administrator
The rule is "no flaming/trolling/defamatory" posts.
I think there's a tendency to sometimes operate under the presumption that only explicit personal attacks are against board guidelines, which is simply untrue. I encourage you to look at it from that perspective and then perhaps the warning will make more sense.
I regularly move posts that were related to or contributing to conversations that were going too far; if memory serves, the post you're referencing was part of said string. I chose to move it rather than let it linger and potentially cause more problems.
JJ Husker
Donor
The warning made sense. I wasn’t questioning that. I mean I basically called him ignorant and/or a s#!thead like Trump. I meant it (still do) but it shouldn’t have been in the regular forum. So my bad.
And the other post, nothing wrong with it, just got caught up in the cleansing. Kind of like when they cut out cancer and are sure to take plenty on the margins.
I don’t have a problem with what you did. I do have a problem with people like archy who ignore facts and logic when it’s inconvenient. He basically trolls the P&R forum constantly with dishonest discussion. But I know what he’s about and what he’s going to do. I shouldn’t get drawn into it.
Enhance
Administrator
Yes, at times he does. And I disagree with probably 70-80% of the opinions he has in P&R.
But I can tell you that there have been numerous occasions where people will cry foul of something Archy is saying or doing, and when I go back through the conversation they're being just smarmy or illogical as he is. They just don't like being called out on it. The other mods and I have personally intervened in situations where we thought he (or others) were going too far or trolling but we're generally not going to reprimand people for having differing opinions or beliefs, even if one seems more illogical than the other. I have managed more often than not to have amicable back and forths with Archy and I believe most people here are quite capable of doing that and choose not to.
Here's a question for you JJ - from a board guideline and rule enforcement standpoint, if a flat earther joined the board tomorrow and started proffering illogical and baseless flat earth claims, regardless of the science and data offered to them in every conversation, what do you think should be done about that?
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knapplc
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You can't ask anyone to answer that question when they have half the information they would need to answer.
JJ Husker
Donor
Your hypothetical is pretty similar (in many instances) as the current situation. Illogical and baseless, science and data ignored….
I don’t know what you should do. I’d like to say sacrifice the few for the benefit of the many, recognizing that it’s inevitable that a person like that is going to cause a lot of problems and give them less leeway than those who are using logic and facts, but I know it’s not that easy. I guess, like now, you warn the people (like me) that cross the line because we are too dumb to ignore them.
So how would you (the board) handle the flat earther situation (assuming it’s even more blatant and obvious than some of the current P&R goings ons)?
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Enhance
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Based on the board guidelines and forum description, I would let them stay. That wasn't intended to be a "gotcha" or anything, by the way. I was hoping to illustrate that being illogical... being factually incorrect... or being flat out wrong isn't really against board rules, even if that person seems maddeningly wrong. There usually needs to be more nuance to it and I'm generally not a fan of punishing someone for being wrong or refusing to agree with people.
Being willfully obtuse is a problem, but I'm going to take an entirety of context into account before I make a judgement.
And yeah, willpower is a big thing here. I know the Ignore function doesn't completely block someone's content. But, I manage (most of the time) to have civil discussions with Archy. I'm not accusing you of the following JJ, but some people here approach one another in P&R with a scorched-earth mentality and then act like they had nothing to do with it when they get burnt. I don't have a lot of tolerance for that.
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JJ Husker
Donor
Unfortunately that is sort of the nature of the beast with P&R discussion, maybe especially so on a message board where people are somewhat anonymous.
I actually don’t have a problem with archy aside from his tendency to ride Trump’s jock. We’ve had very civil discussion on quite a few other topics and in other forums. I’m not saying the whole problem is him. Being a conservative and former republican, I tend to get a little militant with those who haven’t seen the light as regards Trump and the far right. I can’t help but be a little angry that the far right MAGA crowd ruined what I used to associate with. I dislike the far left dems and Biden just as much so it’s frustrating that in those discussions I have to align with or defend any of them. There doesn’t seem to be any room for middle ground or consensus between the extremes. Pretty sure that’s why our government is so dysfunctional and also why message board discussion of the same issues are ripe for problems.
I rambled a bit there but it’s not really the difference of opinions, I don’t mind that, but it gets annoying when someone places the party line ahead of facts and logic. The reaction to that is on me. I can control that by staying away from it or exercising more control. I’ll probably just stay away from it, again, like I have before. None of the world’s problems are getting solved or improved in the HB P&R forum anyway.
I agree that I can be smarmy at times, usually in response to smart though. Very few times do I present illogical arguments though.
I have to admit that early on there are times I got in the troll game and it was usually in response to another troll post. If you looked through the posts of some people (I could private message you the names so as to not make it a big thing here and create even more of a tangent) that’s all the really post is troll bs especially about the R side. When I respond with a fact or data telling them they are wrong, I accused of trolling, or being obtuse, or whatever else by four people who happen to agree with the original troll.
1). Remember all the flock I took about defending the new voter laws from the bs arguments about voter suppression??? Look who’s right at the moment. I’m sure I was called obtuse or disingenuous back then. I’m certainly correct now thoug.
2) Remember when I would call out all the BS and wrong posts about Trump and Russia in 2020/2021? People like you would say I “ride Trumps jock” when in reality the story was actually wrong. The media corrections have proven me correct back then.
3). I sure caught a lot of flack for wanting kids back in school during Covid (yes I was correct and Fauci was wrong, yet I get accused by you of attacking him). I get accused of being anti vaxxer (when I’m actually vaccinated) for being against vaccine mandates for Covid and calling out the fact that they are unnecessary in kids (which the science has proven out).
4) I’ve been also been wrong here and took my argument too far before admitting to it which is on me.
You can hate on me, discount what I say, do whatever as it doesn’t affect my life in any way shape or form. All I ask is that you have an open mind to what I present and don’t jump on the troll bandwagon the other 6-8 people ride on and then make a decision of what you think of my thoughts. Because over time, I tend to be right more often than I am wrong.
JJ Husker
Donor
Obviously. I post one gif….and that makes you right yet again :lol: I’m starting to understand why your sense of accomplishment is so overstated.