The 2020 General Election

Oh, I think the Dems will drop by the nursing home in a couple years and grab Bill and Hillary and nominate the old gal again! After all, she is the most qualified to ever run for the Presidency in history according the same media types that say Trump knows nothing about anything! A lifetime 'first lady' whose most obvious marketable skill is that of destroyer of people. Hillary has spent her entire adult life in the business of the politics of personal destruction, whether it being President Nixon in her first job to the legions of Bubba's bimbos to the mesne 'business partners and minions/co-conspirators of the Clintons in their land and savings and loan fraud schemes and commodities futures insider trading to the myriad of enterprises operated out of the Whitehouse and NY since the first Clinton stints in DC.

No question you give Hillary some credit for thinking outside the box - er outside the law - but she is NOT qualified and does NOT have the basic moral compass to be President. The 'collective wisdom' of the majority of a razor thin margin of the voting population in enough of the several states, was able to recognize this basic truth and fortunately for all was able to prevent the Clintons from getting another 4 year 'lease' on the power and property of the federal government.

So who in the Democrat party has the 'gravitas' to be President and could actually lead America in a positive and truly progressive (meaning making economic and otherwise improving the lot of the people and society as a whole and not another word for socialist as used by Dems) manner? Who? There are no obvious andnot so obvious answers, based on the two horrendous candidates the entire liberal caste was able to muster for 2016 election. The most challenging part of finding a candidate to run for election on the Dems' side of the political sphere is they have to be natural born liars and have no concious or qualms about speaking untruths repeatedly. Sooner or later they are going to be asked some direct questions about their policies and the logic and rationality of their proposals. Since very few liberal ideas make any sense to most people based on the known facts and common sense, liberals are put in the awkward position of having to change the facts to fiction and then convincing themselves and other like minded folks of these 'facts'.

But really, people, why on Earth are we discussing the 2020 election as they haven't even finished counting up the absentee and mail-in votes from the 2016 election that was only 48 hours ago?

 
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Red Five said:
1 term or less imo. He'll realize being president sucks compared to what he could be doing. And his base will get buyers remorse after a couple years of him not being the savior they thought he was.

Plus he'll be old as F
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I agree. I think he'll say - We Won, time to go on and win some more some place else. He'll soon feel like a caged animal having to control his words and actions for the sake of presidential decorum.

 
TGHusker said:
Moiraine said:
Lil said:
I think it's Michelle Obamas if she wants it.
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Agreed, but she doesn't.
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And she is qualified how?? Because she gave a good speech? Oh, she is the wife of a president. Seems like we've heard that line before. No more dynasties please. We just banished the Bush/Clinton dynasty. Time to open the tent to the vast brain gene pool that is America.
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I didn't say she was qualified. I said she would win.

 
84HuskerLaw said:
Oh, I think the Dems will drop by the nursing home in a couple years and grab Bill and Hillary and nominate the old gal again! After all, she is the most qualified to ever run for the Presidency in history according the same media types that say Trump knows nothing about anything! A lifetime 'first lady' whose most obvious marketable skill is that of destroyer of people. Hillary has spent her entire adult life in the business of the politics of personal destruction, whether it being President Nixon in her first job to the legions of Bubba's bimbos to the mesne 'business partners and minions/co-conspirators of the Clintons in their land and savings and loan fraud schemes and commodities futures insider trading to the myriad of enterprises operated out of the Whitehouse and NY since the first Clinton stints in DC.

No question you give Hillary some credit for thinking outside the box - er outside the law - but she is NOT qualified and does NOT have the basic moral compass to be President. The 'collective wisdom' of the majority of a razor thin margin of the voting population in enough of the several states, was able to recognize this basic truth and fortunately for all was able to prevent the Clintons from getting another 4 year 'lease' on the power and property of the federal government.

So who in the Democrat party has the 'gravitas' to be President and could actually lead America in a positive and truly progressive (meaning making economic and otherwise improving the lot of the people and society as a whole and not another word for socialist as used by Dems) manner? Who? There are no obvious andnot so obvious answers, based on the two horrendous candidates the entire liberal caste was able to muster for 2016 election. The most challenging part of finding a candidate to run for election on the Dems' side of the political sphere is they have to be natural born liars and have no concious or qualms about speaking untruths repeatedly. Sooner or later they are going to be asked some direct questions about their policies and the logic and rationality of their proposals. Since very few liberal ideas make any sense to most people based on the known facts and common sense, liberals are put in the awkward position of having to change the facts to fiction and then convincing themselves and other like minded folks of these 'facts'.

But really, people, why on Earth are we discussing the 2020 election as they haven't even finished counting up the absentee and mail-in votes from the 2016 election that was only 48 hours ago?
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Good post. I think this election proved both parties need to start being honest with themselves. Too often they already have "Conclusions" and they look for 'evidence to back their conclusion (Jeb Bush is the best candidate, Hillary is the best Candidate, Americans as a group want govt run health care, Americans want our military to democratize the world, etc). Of course this is the same trap we posters on HB can fall into - Having preconceived conclusions and only looking for evidence to support our conclusion. I fail in regards at times.

I think the polls were off partly for this reason. Not that pollsters intentionally build the polls around the conclusion that Hillary would win but that they built models around 2012 and 2008 elections. This was a change election and those conclusions/assumptions were invalid.

It worked against someone, like Hillary, who had been in the political spot light since 1992.

 
Moiraine said:
TGHusker said:
Moiraine said:
Lil said:
I think it's Michelle Obamas if she wants it.
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Agreed, but she doesn't.
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And she is qualified how?? Because she gave a good speech? Oh, she is the wife of a president. Seems like we've heard that line before. No more dynasties please. We just banished the Bush/Clinton dynasty. Time to open the tent to the vast brain gene pool that is America.
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I didn't say she was qualified. I said she would win.
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You are correct in saying you didn't say she was qualified. However, I don't thing she would win. After Obamacare fails terribly this next year wt massive price increases, the voters will not want anything to do with the Obama policies. The Dems may be foolish enough to think otherwise but the Trump election was in part a repudiation of those policies. Hillary would have been a continuation of the Obama legacy and his policies.

Now if the Republican's totally blow it (not our of the whelm of possibilities) and don't adequately address the issues facing the nation, then anything is possible. But even at that, I think you will see new faces.

 
Rubio/Rand Paul or visa versa or Susana Martinez on the ticket vs Warren / Cory Booker

 
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zoogs said:
Red Five said:
Kerr/Van Gundy 2020!
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Reading Van Gundy's speech resulted in one very emotional zoogs.
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Kerr needs to be at the top of the ticket because he is more measured when he speaks and has the polished look. Then Stan Van can be the attack dog as VP.

Seriously though, I am glad that they took a stand. Instead of someone like Saban who said "I didn't know it was election day".

 
Red Five said:
zoogs said:
Red Five said:
Kerr/Van Gundy 2020!
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Reading Van Gundy's speech resulted in one very emotional zoogs.
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Kerr needs to be at the top of the ticket because he is more measured when he speaks and has the polished look. Then Stan Van can be the attack dog as VP.

Seriously though, I am glad that they took a stand. Instead of someone like Saban who said "I didn't know it was election day".
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Part of me thinks ol' Nick Saban is a closet Democrat in the Pride of Dixie, which is why he doesn't comment on political affairs.

 
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/sanders-run-president/2016/11/10/id/758237/

So let it begin. Sanders not ruling out 2020. Let's see he'll be 120 then?
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Blind ambition.

 
TGHusker said:
Moiraine said:
TGHusker said:
Moiraine said:
Lil said:
I think it's Michelle Obamas if she wants it.
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Agreed, but she doesn't.
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And she is qualified how?? Because she gave a good speech? Oh, she is the wife of a president. Seems like we've heard that line before. No more dynasties please. We just banished the Bush/Clinton dynasty. Time to open the tent to the vast brain gene pool that is America.
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I didn't say she was qualified. I said she would win.
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You are correct in saying you didn't say she was qualified. However, I don't thing she would win. After Obamacare fails terribly this next year wt massive price increases, the voters will not want anything to do with the Obama policies. The Dems may be foolish enough to think otherwise but the Trump election was in part a repudiation of those policies. Hillary would have been a continuation of the Obama legacy and his policies.

Now if the Republican's totally blow it (not our of the whelm of possibilities) and don't adequately address the issues facing the nation, then anything is possible. But even at that, I think you will see new faces.
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I started to say..."there is no way in hell she would win."

But...then I remembered Trump won.

 
Michelle was in the White House for 8 years. She's a Harvard Law graduate with a career in the public sector or through nonprofits. She is no stranger to either politics, social issues, or advocacy.

So, yeah. One could be a lot less qualified than this. If she wanted to be more qualified, she should first run for Senator. But she has nontrivial qualifications, if not an expansive resume in politics (strangely, that's become a liability. What a world), and an obvious political aptitude.

But, it's quite moot. There's no indication she has much interest in politics, yet. That could change.

 
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