The Angry Violent Left

BigRedBuster said:
I remember talk about how Bush Senior had thrown a party in NYC with Saudi royal family to watch it all take place.
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Not saying this was never bandied about, but I don't remember it. This seems similar to the Trump claim about people dancing in the streets. Both claims seem nonsensical. 

BigRedBuster said:
An expose which reflects upon what has happened to America since the events of September 11, 2001 that touches upon the personal relationship between President George W. Bush and the family of terrorist Osama bin Laden. As well, the chronicle focuses on the powerful roles that oil and greed may have played in the terrorist attack on the U.S.A.
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I had to look up a synopsis of the movie: I think there was talk about members of the Bin Laden family being secretly evacuated out of the country (I thought that this was ultimately debunked), but that was not a major theme of the movie. And the bolded part does not suggest that 9/11 was an inside job. If Michael Moore actually made that claim at some point, it would not be surprising, but this movie did not promote that notion, and it was never a mainstream theory that the left grasped onto.

In comparison, the birther movement was bought into by large segments of the right, including Trump himself. A little over a year ago, this article showed a poll that 51% of Republicans still believed Obama was born in Kenya: https://www.newsweek.com/trump-birther-obama-poll-republicans-kenya-744195

This poll in 2007 showed that at the time, 40% of Republicans still believed that Saddam Hussein had attacked America (27% of Democrats as well, dumbasses): https://www.prwatch.org/spin/2007/09/6427/saddam-did-911-one-third-americans-believe-big-lie

Lies, misinformation, and conspiracies are spread and believed moreso from the right. Liberals come up with plenty of their own hairbrained conspiracy theories and nonsense, of course, but it never seems to gain the same traction as the right-wing BS.

 
There were some pretty crazy theories about Bush and U.S. complicity in the attack. In terms of means and motives, they make virtually no sense.

A lot of people were simply convinced that Bush knew ahead of time that the attack was coming and chose not to stop it, as it would provide the political cover to go to war in the Mideast, something that Bush's inner circle is on record as advocating. I don't buy that the administration allowed 9/11 to happen, but it wouldn't be far off from a fairly well-supported theory that FDR had advance knowledge of Pearl Harbor, and didn't publicize it, believing the attack was necessary to get the American public to support our intervention in World War II. 

 
TGHusker said:
Remember, Trump himself said he could shoot someone in Times Square and his supporters would still stand with him.  That is both delusional (on his behalf - he has these great images of grandeur towards himself) and also scary as it is becomes all too true by what we have seen thus far.  
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Both sides have people that are poorly informed and too far to one side 

one group we can include are our millennial s

they are ignorant of history and the problems with big government, gun confiscation and limits on speech can lead to 

one third of  them actually and incredibly think bush killed more people than get this- stalin

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/communism-george-w-bush-joseph-stalin-survey-millennials-younger-generation-death-killed-a7366131.html%3famp

 
OTHusker said:
Both sides have people that are poorly informed and too far to one side 

one group we can include are our millennial s

they are ignorant of history and the problems with big government, gun confiscation and limits on speech can lead to 

one third of  them actually and incredibly think bush killed more people than get this- stalin

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/communism-george-w-bush-joseph-stalin-survey-millennials-younger-generation-death-killed-a7366131.html%3famp
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No, we're not ignorant of history. Please stop with the gross over generalizations. 

 
OTHusker said:
The left have plenty on their side who are off their rocker and spewing hate 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/530736/
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Senator tweets something wrong, then apologizes.

I guess we are waiting for a lot of apologies from the GOP. Are those forethcoming? When can we expect the presidents apologies for his litany of misinformation?

Good to see you are scared for the stupid crap politicians are putting in the internet. Mainly starting from the top.

 
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2/3 of millenials don’t know what aushwitz is and 22 percent had never heard of the holocaust 

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/12/many-americans-millennials-ignorant-holocaust-surv/

one would think we would want our children to know what totalitarian states and humanity is capable of 

And how true hate directed towards one race that’s goal was to exterminate them all actually came into being

Kids should know this and then understand how Israel came into being 

when I was in High school we saw films of the bodies being moved by bulldozers 

i was taught what auchwitz was and never forgot it

i was taught the same thing in my American  history after 1865 class in college 

and it made me want to know more about how such a tragedy could have happened- so I read about all the mass murderers and how they came to power hitler, stalin, mao, king leoplodt  

Amoungst other things thats is when I converted from gun confiscation believer to 2nd amendment supporter 

 
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OTHusker said:
2/3 of millenials don’t know what aushwitz is and 22 percent had never heard of the holocaust 

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/12/many-americans-millennials-ignorant-holocaust-surv/

one would think we would want our children to know what totalitarian states and humanity is capable of 

And how true hate directed towards one race that’s goal was to exterminate them all actually came into being

Kids should know this and then understand how Israel came into being 

when I was in Hugh school we saw films of the bodies being moved by bulldozers 

i was taught what auchwitz was and never forgot it

and it made me want to know more about how such a tragedy could have happened- so I read about all the mass murderers and how they came to power hitler, stalin, mao, king leoplodt  
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1350 people and an unknown number of millenials is a fairly small sample. I would reason to guess much more than 1/3rd of all millenials know about Auchwitz.

What you also fail to recognize with your staunch anti communism rant is that some of the worlds best functioning nations right now are largely socialist. Denmark is the happiest country in the world and models many of the 'communist' policies you attribute to liberalism. People can see the difference between North Korea and Denmark. People want to model Denmark.

 
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OTHusker said:
I guess it isn’t entirely their fault

high schools and colleges have deemphasized or in some cases eliminated history requirements 

no wonder they know so little and are so anxious to repeat the mistakes of others 
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I could say the exact same thing about the baby boomers repeating the mistakes of the eras of robber barons and laissez faire economics.

Older generations always complain about the younger generation.

Older people love to gripe about the entitled, lazy millennial generation. But it's nothing new – by delving into the archives, we found plenty of parallels stretching back 2,000 years.

 
Nebfanatic said:
1350 people and an unknown number of millenials is a fairly small sample. I would reason to guess much more than 1/3rd of all millenials know about Auchwitz.

What you also fail to recognize with your staunch anti communism rant is that some of the worlds best functioning nations right now are largely socialist. Denmark is the happiest country in the world and models many of the 'communist' policies you attribute to liberalism. People can see the difference between North Korea and Denmark. People want to model Denmark.
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It’s a real shame people don’t know more about Denmark’s socialism where anyone making over 80k has a 68 percent tax rate

danes have extremely high rates of debt

and their suicide rates are twice the rate of ours

it is also a tiny nation without a huge percentage of immigrants and a tiny defense budget

not apples to apples and not the utopia most people think it is 

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/23/viral-image/internet-graphic-says-suicide-rate-much-higher-den/

 
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