The Christian Response to Jason Collins

[It'sNotAFakeID]

i guess it makes sense the christians have persecution complexes, but c'mon.

I know there are plenty of Christians that fall into this, but I think for many, it's not necessarily a persecution complex, just a resigning sigh that most all beliefs and orientations and lifestyles are celebrated except for the ones that say "Now hold on a second, no that's not right". The "intolerance of tolerance", if you will.

christianity is celebrated, it is just so ingrained in our culture and society that we no longer recognize it. christmas and easter are major holidays. louisiana does not have counties, they have parishes. we have christian schools and most of our most impressive architecture is dedicated to christian churches. you can not blame minority positions, whether you agree with them or not, for celebrating when they finally arrive to a point of a modicum of acceptance.

i am just confused on how you would like it to be different for christians and the celebration of christianity?

I don't want to derail this thread into something it shouldn't be, so maybe this should be it's own thread, but I disagree with the statement that Christianity is celebrated.

You mention Christmas and Easter. Originally pagan holidays adopted by Christians for their own celebrations of their faith, and now re-adopted by the mass public as secular holidays focused on different things. Christmas and Easter mean wildly different things to different groups, and the most widespread and permeating American versions leave little to no room for centrality of God or the gospel.

The rest of the examples I'm not really sure how to approach; but my point is this. Christian moralism and ideology is celebrated...sometimes....except for when it is in disagreement with the prevailing opinions of the time....and minus nearly all of the doctrinal and theological framework. Just stripped down to the messages of good and bad.

It's fascinating to me how a country founded upon religious freedom (among other things) can look so eerily like a Christendom, where most people who claim the faith do so out of their citizenship to the country and their culture verses claiming it out of a personal conversion experience and relationship.

Christianity is a religion, celebrated by those who share that religion. Much like a birthday is celebrated by everyone who has that birthday. For my 21st birthday, I went out and toured all the bars where I was at the time (Colorado), got drunk, and paid for nothing--like most 21st birthdays pan out. I have a long time friend who I keep in contact with, our birthdays are on the same day, February 26. He doesn't drink. He spent his 21st birthday with his girlfriend, they went to a movie, had dinner, and that was that. Two people, who share the same birthday, celebrating it in different ways.

Christianity is no different. I celebrate my Christianity every Sunday, by going to church (as often as I can). Someone else may celebrate their Christianity by building a school with the purpose to teach kids about Jesus Christ. Yet another person could celebrate their Christianity by spending time with their family and openly discussing religion. Even another person could celebrate their Christianity by doing good "works."

 

[knapplc]

Regarding that persecution complex - this is a thread about a gay NBA player coming out, and one mention of religion and now greater than half the posts in this thread are talking about Christianity.

Threads evolve and rarely stay on-topic, so it's not that big of a deal. But when threads derail in this forum, more often than not they become a debate over Christianity. It is what it is.

 

[lo country]

Deleted. If others quit talking negatively about Christianity, I will not derail the thread with my opinion.

 

[Landlord]

Regarding that persecution complex - this is a thread about a gay NBA player coming out, and one mention of religion and now greater than half the posts in this thread are talking about Christianity.

Threads evolve and rarely stay on-topic, so it's not that big of a deal. But when threads derail in this forum, more often than not they become a debate over Christianity. It is what it is.

Is that more fueled by the defenses for and by Christians or the criticisms and attacks levied against? Not just in this thread but as a general principle.

 

[sd'sker]

has christianity been attacked in this thread? other than people being happy for a homosexual, even if it is an abomination unto the lord?

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

Regarding that persecution complex - this is a thread about a gay NBA player coming out, and one mention of religion and now greater than half the posts in this thread are talking about Christianity.

Threads evolve and rarely stay on-topic, so it's not that big of a deal. But when threads derail in this forum, more often than not they become a debate over Christianity. It is what it is.

Is that more fueled by the defenses for and by Christians or the criticisms and attacks levied against? Not just in this thread but as a general principle.

Probably equally by both.

 

[beanman]

has christianity been attacked in this thread? other than people being happy for a homosexual, even if it is an abomination unto the lord?

This perhaps?

When was the last time Muslim moralism was celebrated in this country? Or Hinduism? Or scientology-ism? I guess I don't understand why Christians feel such a need to have a pat on the back and be told how wonderful their religion is, when that same group of people often goes out of their way to ostracize other religions.

 

[sd'sker]

has christianity been attacked in this thread? other than people being happy for a homosexual, even if it is an abomination unto the lord?

This perhaps?

When was the last time Muslim moralism was celebrated in this country? Or Hinduism? Or scientology-ism? I guess I don't understand why Christians feel such a need to have a pat on the back and be told how wonderful their religion is, when that same group of people often goes out of their way to ostracize other religions.

i do not think that was an attack of christianity as much as a criticism of some christians.

 

[beanman]

has christianity been attacked in this thread? other than people being happy for a homosexual, even if it is an abomination unto the lord?

This perhaps?

When was the last time Muslim moralism was celebrated in this country? Or Hinduism? Or scientology-ism? I guess I don't understand why Christians feel such a need to have a pat on the back and be told how wonderful their religion is, when that same group of people often goes out of their way to ostracize other religions.

i do not think that was an attack of christianity as much as a criticism of christians.

Ah thanks for clarifying. Silly me.

 

[sd'sker]

has christianity been attacked in this thread? other than people being happy for a homosexual, even if it is an abomination unto the lord?

This perhaps?

When was the last time Muslim moralism was celebrated in this country? Or Hinduism? Or scientology-ism? I guess I don't understand why Christians feel such a need to have a pat on the back and be told how wonderful their religion is, when that same group of people often goes out of their way to ostracize other religions.

i do not think that was an attack of christianity as much as a criticism of christians.

Ah thanks for clarifying. Silly me.

no prob.

 

[Landlord]

Is that more fueled by the defenses for and by Christians or the criticisms and attacks levied against? Not just in this thread but as a general principle.

i do not think that was an attack of christianity as much as a criticism of some christians.

Good thing I used the word Christians and the word criticism so you are referring to the same thing....

 

[beanman]

has christianity been attacked in this thread? other than people being happy for a homosexual, even if it is an abomination unto the lord?

This perhaps?

When was the last time Muslim moralism was celebrated in this country? Or Hinduism? Or scientology-ism? I guess I don't understand why Christians feel such a need to have a pat on the back and be told how wonderful their religion is, when that same group of people often goes out of their way to ostracize other religions.

i do not think that was an attack of christianity as much as a criticism of christians.

Ah thanks for clarifying. Silly me.

no prob.

Then someone stating that a lot of terrorists are muslims isn't an attack of Islam but simply a criticism of muslims, correct?

 

[sd'sker]

Then someone stating that a lot of terrorists are muslims isn't an attack of Islam but simply a criticism of muslims, correct?

what does islam have to do with this conversation? and a terrorist is a terrorist, why should i care about their religion?

why should the religion of islam be associated with muslim terrorists anymore than christianity should be associated with the westboro baptist church or any other fringe group that claims its membership?

 

[sd'sker]

Is that more fueled by the defenses for and by Christians or the criticisms and attacks levied against? Not just in this thread but as a general principle.

i do not think that was an attack of christianity as much as a criticism of some christians.

Good thing I used the word Christians and the word criticism so you are referring to the same thing....

i do not really know what you are saying. it is possible that we are in agreement.

 

[beanman]

Then someone stating that a lot of terrorists are muslims isn't an attack of Islam but simply a criticism of muslims, correct?

what does islam have to do with this conversation? and a terrorist is a terrorist, why should i care about their religion?

why should the religion of islam be associated with muslim terrorists anymore than christianity should be associated with the westboro baptist church or any other fringe group that claims its membership?

Why are Christians cited above as ostracizing other religions? Are they the only ones that do this?