The Democrat Utopia

TGHusker said:
Not sure where to put this but since Feinstein is a Dem, I thought this would be the best place to post this.   However, this applies to Dem and Republican.   How old does one have to be before they are required to take a competency test (1) President (looking at both Trump and Biden and even Ronald Reagan's later years) (2) Serving in Congress in either the House or the Senate (3) Supreme Court      

My former Okla Senator Inhofe was 88 years old before he retired last year.   He seemed to be in decent cognitive shape for his age and was still flying small aircraft.  

But Feinstein seems to be well beyond usefulness in the Senate.    We have roles in all 3 branches of govt in which those who serve must be at the top of their game to perform and make decisions on behalf of the citizens.  There have been others in similar situations in years past.  I know it is/was a hot topic regarding both the 2020 & 2024 presidential elections.   Ronald Reagan used it for his advantage in 1984 against Mondale in his famous debate joke, but by 1986/7 he was showing decline.  So, it isn't a joking matter.  

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/baffled-dianne-feinstein-walks-out-of-senate-chamber-wondering-what-just-happened-did-i-vote-for-that/ar-AA17wMmL?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=54e4905ece6040d28cf81659a7c831a7

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I agree there should be some age limits and competency thresholds but sad fact is that the electorate is failing us. People voting should be able to remedy these situations and they continuously fail to do so. Unfortunately the people get exactly what they vote for. In an ideal situation people like Feinstein, Biden, Trump etc. would be precluded from running. We are so far from an ideal situation on so many fronts it isn’t funny.

We need term limits and age limits. I won’t even get into competency and decency limits.

 
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JJ Husker said:
I’m guessing the Dems don’t have to worry about losing that seat no matter how badly they handle it.
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Yeah, that's why Newsom's pick would tilt the seat to one Dem in a state where several dues paying Dems have been waiting years for the opening. They might see an advantage to leaving Feinstein in place until the open election. 

It also looks like Feinstein is not inclined to declare herself incompetent, so someone would have to do that for her. Not sure what that looks like.

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
Yeah, that's why Newsom's pick would tilt the seat to one Dem in a state where several dues paying Dems have been waiting years for the opening. They might see an advantage to leaving Feinstein in place until the open election. 

It also looks like Feinstein is not inclined to declare herself incompetent, so someone would have to do that for her. Not sure what that looks like.
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Here’s a couple options.

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JJ Husker said:
We need term limits and age limits. I won’t even get into competency and decency limits.
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Yes and that includes SC lifetime membership to that special club.   

18 years for SC justice

6 years for president - most presidents (not name FDR)  lose their effectiveness after 6 years

10 years for House

18 Years for Senate 

If you can't make an impact in those time frames,  you are just taking up a seat that could be better filled by someone else. 

Age: I want to say 70 but there are some effective people in their 70s. - but 80 for sure.  

 
TGHusker said:
Yes and that includes SC lifetime membership to that special club.   

18 years for SC justice

6 years for president - most presidents (not name FDR)  lose their effectiveness after 6 years

10 years for House

18 Years for Senate 

If you can't make an impact in those time frames,  you are just taking up a seat that could be better filled by someone else. 

Age: I want to say 70 but there are some effective people in their 70s. - but 80 for sure.  
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So, you’re going to end a presidents term half way till the next election?

 
TGHusker said:
Yes and that includes SC lifetime membership to that special club.   

18 years for SC justice

6 years for president - most presidents (not name FDR)  lose their effectiveness after 6 years

10 years for House

18 Years for Senate 

If you can't make an impact in those time frames,  you are just taking up a seat that could be better filled by someone else. 

Age: I want to say 70 but there are some effective people in their 70s. - but 80 for sure.  
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I would counter offer.

Four 2 yr terms in HOR=8 yrs max

Two 6 yr terms in Senate =12 yrs

Two 4 yr terms for Pres=8 yrs

12 years for SC

Cutoff age of 70 for election/appointment or 72 when term would expire, whichever is more restrictive, for all of them. Yes some people are fine to 80 or longer and some aren’t fine at 40 but we’re running a government not a geriatric retreat. And while we’re at it, no special healthcare, pension or retirement benes that the average citizen can’t participate in.

These people are supposed to serve us not themselves. If we fix that basic concept, we fix a whole bunch of our other problems at the same time.

 
BigRedBuster said:
What a load of s#!t.
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What a load of horse s#!t. These people think they’re above the law. It’s that simple. Nobody should be above being called to testify and provide answers and statements under oath. I don’t care if it diminishes future efforts of others in the same office or not as truth and justice are way more important than any office. Pence is just another example of what’s wrong with our government.

 
JJ Husker said:
What a load of horse s#!t. These people think they’re above the law. It’s that simple. Nobody should be above being called to testify and provide answers and statements under oath. I don’t care if it diminishes future efforts of others in the same office or not as truth and justice are way more important than any office. Pence is just another example of what’s wrong with our government.
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Agreed.  However, if Pence testifies, his own campaign is toast.  It might be already, but I'm betting he and all the other non-Trump Republican 2024 candidates are banking on Trump getting indicted, possibly convicted and one way or another no longer being a candidate sometime in the next year.  Many of Trump's votes will be up for grabs.  If Pence narcs on him now, Pence is done.  Who else would the MAGATS vote for?  Trump will be or is already pissed at DeSantis.  Haley is a long shot.  Pence could grab some votes if he's viewed as somehow "protecting" Trump.  Just my take anyway.

 
Decoy73 said:
Agreed.  However, if Pence testifies, his own campaign is toast.  It might be already, but I'm betting he and all the other non-Trump Republican 2024 candidates are banking on Trump getting indicted, possibly convicted and one way or another no longer being a candidate sometime in the next year.  Many of Trump's votes will be up for grabs.  If Pence narcs on him now, Pence is done.  Who else would the MAGATS vote for?  Trump will be or is already pissed at DeSantis.  Haley is a long shot.  Pence could grab some votes if he's viewed as somehow "protecting" Trump.  Just my take anyway.
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I’m sure that’s why Pence doesn’t want to give testimony. He’s clueless enough to think that maybe he hasn’t burned all Trump supporters bridges but he did on January 6th. IMO it’s too late for him to pick up many ex Trumpers. My feeling is if/when Trump is out of the picture, most of them will flock to Desantis as he’s the closest thing to giving them what they want. Veiled (or not so veiled) racism and that tear it down to the ground regardless of consequences backwoods hick attitude.

 
After my father had a stroke, he suffered from depression and refused to get help.  He just thought he was sad and didn’t need help.  
 

So much of his life and our relationship was hurt because of it.  He lived for over 15 years as an angry miserable man until he finally tried to commit suicide and was forced into a hospital.  
 

Anyone mocking Fetterman or using this for political gain can go f#&% themselves. He can get the help he needs and be just fine in office. 

 
No one that I have seen is using this for political gain.  However it is extremely obvious the man SHOULD NOT have been running after his stroke and should have taken the time to get healthy like his doctors suggested.   But instead, his wife and the Party wouldn’t let that happen.  
The Party should have let the person Fetterman beat in the primary run in the general and let the guy heal.   The other dude would have won handily over Oz anyway.    

 
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