The Democrat Utopia

DefenderAO said:
I figured you'e have some disdain for my extremely pragmatic and humane positions. 

Imagine the US embraced the moral compass of Northern California. 
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I dunno, man. I grew up and went to college in Nebraska, then moved to Northern California. I still spend a lot of time with family and friends in Nebraska, and have Republican friends and fond memories in both states. 

I moved to San Francisco for career reasons, and defended my home state against the coastal elites by claiming Nebraskans were nicer, more honest, more pragmatic, and much better drivers than the smug Californians. Over the years I realized this wasn't exactly true, even if it felt right to say. In the ways that really count, my San Francisco neighborhood had more small town values than I grew up with in Nebraska; I walked to the butcher shop, the hardware store, the liquor store, and the bakery, where they knew my name and my preferences. My fellow Nebraskan and I lived in a building with six flats, and came to socialize with each one. Good folks. When I moved to equally liberal Marin County to raise a family, I met plenty of other people of good character and community values.  To this day I can't find any significant difference in the pragmatism, humanity, morality, and niceness between the people of California and the people of Nebraska. Our state politics may seem more silly, but it's not like Nebraska didn't veer off into extremes and identity politics of its own.

But that's anecdotal. If you really wanted to find a moral compass you'd need to get data-driven. If your measure is teen-pregnancy, drug use, divorce, education levels, and reliance on the federal government, you're not gonna like what the red states are turning out.   

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
I dunno, man. I grew up and went to college in Nebraska, then moved to Northern California. I still spend a lot of time with family and friends in Nebraska, and have Republican friends and fond memories in both states. 

I moved to San Francisco for career reasons, and defended my home state against the coastal elites by claiming Nebraskans were nicer, more honest, more pragmatic, and much better drivers than the smug Californians. Over the years I realized this wasn't exactly true, even if it felt right to say. In the ways that really count, my San Francisco neighborhood had more small town values than I grew up with in Nebraska; I walked to the butcher shop, the hardware store, the liquor store, and the bakery, where they knew my name and my preferences. My fellow Nebraskan and I lived in a building with six flats, and came to socialize with each one. Good folks. When I moved to equally liberal Marin County to raise a family, I met plenty of other people of good character and community values.  To this day I can't find any significant difference in the pragmatism, humanity, morality, and niceness between the people of California and the people of Nebraska. Our state politics may seem more silly, but it's not like Nebraska didn't veer off into extremes and identity politics of its own.

But that's anecdotal. If you really wanted to find a moral compass you'd need to get data-driven. If your measure is teen-pregnancy, drug use, divorce, education levels, and reliance on the federal government, you're not gonna like what the red states are turning out.   
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New experiences really have a way of shaking long held beliefs.  I'm going to get some serious flak for this, but my family has spent a lot of non-football related weekends in Iowa City and Des Moines over the past year.  Different parts of town, different events, different accommodations, but the constant is those cities just seem nicer, friendlier, and cleaner than Omaha and/or Lincoln.  After this past weekend in Iowa City, I actually made the comment to my wife that I could see retirement there.

Iowa is not near as gross as we make them out to be.  The state, not the team.  They suck!!!

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
I dunno, man. I grew up and went to college in Nebraska, then moved to Northern California. I still spend a lot of time with family and friends in Nebraska, and have Republican friends and fond memories in both states. 

I moved to San Francisco for career reasons, and defended my home state against the coastal elites by claiming Nebraskans were nicer, more honest, more pragmatic, and much better drivers than the smug Californians. Over the years I realized this wasn't exactly true, even if it felt right to say. In the ways that really count, my San Francisco neighborhood had more small town values than I grew up with in Nebraska; I walked to the butcher shop, the hardware store, the liquor store, and the bakery, where they knew my name and my preferences. My fellow Nebraskan and I lived in a building with six flats, and came to socialize with each one. Good folks. When I moved to equally liberal Marin County to raise a family, I met plenty of other people of good character and community values.  To this day I can't find any significant difference in the pragmatism, humanity, morality, and niceness between the people of California and the people of Nebraska. Our state politics may seem more silly, but it's not like Nebraska didn't veer off into extremes and identity politics of its own.

But that's anecdotal. If you really wanted to find a moral compass you'd need to get data-driven. If your measure is teen-pregnancy, drug use, divorce, education levels, and reliance on the federal government, you're not gonna like what the red states are turning out.   
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I think roughly 75-80% of people everywhere in the US would be the same as your anecdotal experience in Cali. Most people, in my experience, have good community values and are neighborly nice. 

Unfortunately the fringe 10% on each end get the headlines.

 
funhusker said:
New experiences really have a way of shaking long held beliefs.  I'm going to get some serious flak for this, but my family has spent a lot of non-football related weekends in Iowa City and Des Moines over the past year.  Different parts of town, different events, different accommodations, but the constant is those cities just seem nicer, friendlier, and cleaner than Omaha and/or Lincoln.  After this past weekend in Iowa City, I actually made the comment to my wife that I could see retirement there.

Iowa is not near as gross as we make them out to be.  The state, not the team.  They suck!!!
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Lived in Des Moines for 15 years traveling the entire state for work. Absolutely loved it.  Very nice city and the state is beautiful with very nice small towns.  

I always laughed because people who grew up there would tell the same exact jokes about Nebraska that I would hear in Nebraska about Iowa.  Hey....do you know what the best thing out of Nebraska is?  I-80.....yuck yuck yuck....

I have siblings that live all over the country.  The fact is, there are nice people and beautiful things about every state in the union.

 
BigRedBuster said:
Lived in Des Moines for 15 years traveling the entire state for work. Absolutely loved it.  Very nice city and the state is beautiful with very nice small towns.  

I always laughed because people who grew up there would tell the same exact jokes about Nebraska that I would hear in Nebraska about Iowa.  Hey....do you know what the best thing out of Nebraska is?  I-80.....yuck yuck yuck....

I have siblings that live all over the country.  The fact is, there are nice people and beautiful things about every state in the union.
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Yep.  That's why I always roll my eyes when catastrophes happen and people are like "we are Nebraskans, we help each other up!"  No, you're just good people helping people in need.  No geographical monopolies on fine folks.

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
I dunno, man. I grew up and went to college in Nebraska, then moved to Northern California. I still spend a lot of time with family and friends in Nebraska, and have Republican friends and fond memories in both states. 

I moved to San Francisco for career reasons, and defended my home state against the coastal elites by claiming Nebraskans were nicer, more honest, more pragmatic, and much better drivers than the smug Californians. Over the years I realized this wasn't exactly true, even if it felt right to say. In the ways that really count, my San Francisco neighborhood had more small town values than I grew up with in Nebraska; I walked to the butcher shop, the hardware store, the liquor store, and the bakery, where they knew my name and my preferences. My fellow Nebraskan and I lived in a building with six flats, and came to socialize with each one. Good folks. When I moved to equally liberal Marin County to raise a family, I met plenty of other people of good character and community values.  To this day I can't find any significant difference in the pragmatism, humanity, morality, and niceness between the people of California and the people of Nebraska. Our state politics may seem more silly, but it's not like Nebraska didn't veer off into extremes and identity politics of its own.

But that's anecdotal. If you really wanted to find a moral compass you'd need to get data-driven. If your measure is teen-pregnancy, drug use, divorce, education levels, and reliance on the federal government, you're not gonna like what the red states are turning out.   
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Thanks for your insights and for the time to post more of your background and context.  I've been years removed from Nebraska and figured it a more conservative area than it might be.  

I'll highlight two response points.  1. I am not a huge fan of big .gov making sweeping legislature on many issues.  I appreciate state and local government legislature.  And, 2. I don't believe morality is data driven.  There are certain baselines we're wired with; but I also believe in intelligent design and not happenstance.  We're wired with purpose and a moral code.  Things went awry with the original design, hence a lot of chaos across our nation and the globe.  

 
BigRedBuster said:
Lived in Des Moines for 15 years traveling the entire state for work. Absolutely loved it.  Very nice city and the state is beautiful with very nice small towns.  

I always laughed because people who grew up there would tell the same exact jokes about Nebraska that I would hear in Nebraska about Iowa.  Hey....do you know what the best thing out of Nebraska is?  I-80.....yuck yuck yuck....

I have siblings that live all over the country.  The fact is, there are nice people and beautiful things about every state in the union.
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even in the demoncratic hell holes we always hear about?

 
commando said:
even in the demoncratic hell holes we always hear about?
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I have many customers in NYC.  If I can say nice things about them, then the answer to your question is...yes.   :laughpound

You just have to get past the ....yeah...f#&% you....that ultimately is in the conversation.  Just realize it's a term of endearment.  

 
DefenderAO said:
Thanks for your insights and for the time to post more of your background and context.  I've been years removed from Nebraska and figured it a more conservative area than it might be.  

I'll highlight two response points.  1. I am not a huge fan of big .gov making sweeping legislature on many issues.  I appreciate state and local government legislature.  And, 2. I don't believe morality is data driven.  There are certain baselines we're wired with; but I also believe in intelligent design and not happenstance.  We're wired with purpose and a moral code.  Things went awry with the original design, hence a lot of chaos across our nation and the globe.  
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Thanks. Like I said, you can't make sweeping moral assumptions about people based on their geography or political party.

So you should probably stop doing that. 

Where do you live now?  

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
Thanks. Like I said, you can't make sweeping moral assumptions about people based on their geography or political party.

So you should probably stop doing that. 

Where do you live now?  
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I've viewed it more on political affiliation vs. geography.  I have seen a close alignment of Coastal / Northern Cali to leftist ideology.  

I currently live in a state Californians are coming to in droves.  

 
Archy1221 said:
we are starting to get into crazy whacko town territory now with all the “I’m not doing holidays with the family because of how they vote” stuff.   Just total insanity.  
 

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/sunny-hostin-supports-harris-voters-bailing-on-holiday-dinners-with-their-trump-supporting-relatives-its-a-moral-issue/
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I find it totally hilarious.. men crying over a lost election in which they have no real stake in. Ok, many are fem men but it's a barrel of laughs nonetheless.

 
more example of the leftist media lying. Again, liars love lying. LINK

Yep, I'm a low IQ voter, a Nazi, a Hater, a conspiracy theorist, a deplorable... But at least I'm not a liar nor a believer of the lies.

It's funny, the wise of yester years had an old saying "where there's smoke, there's fire" and today the less wise have their saying "conspiracy theory"..

 
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