The Democrat Utopia
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Dr. Strangelove
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I'm at a loss here, do you think that protesting Israel is a winning message for Democrats?
I think you can criticize Netanyahu's policies just fine, the issue with this faction of the left is that they tend to *checks notes* only protest other Democrats because Republicans laugh in their face.
My personal opinion, and I know this is a hot take for Democrats, is that winning elections is better than losing them. And after they just got smashed in an election and still have lower approval ratings amongst the American public than their Republican counterparts, it's best to shed the ideological stances that they held prior to losing and adopt - and this is the crazy part - popular stances that the public likes in order to win.
Ratt Mhule
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https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/gallego-democrat-crypto-fundraiser-andreessen-trump-1235336588/
Corrupt f#&%ing scumbag. He beat Sinema because people hated her for being corrupt and then he turns around and does the same thing. All these losers, blue and red, are the same. Get into politics to get enrich themselves. Citizens united ruined this country.
Corrupt f#&%ing scumbag. He beat Sinema because people hated her for being corrupt and then he turns around and does the same thing. All these losers, blue and red, are the same. Get into politics to get enrich themselves. Citizens united ruined this country.
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Ratt Mhule
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So one or two protestors yelling at Kamala Harris that she is a war criminal cost the democrats the election? Thats your professional opinion?
Heres mine. And this is no disrespect to you or other moderate republicans, its just my opinion. I think you and other moderate Rs have a myopic world view where you think the nuts run the democratic party. No, thats the republicans and thats why you left the party in the first place. I think you guys have tried and succeeded in taking over the democrat party. Instead of a left-leaning opposition party, the democrats have moved further to the right to appease disenfranchised republicans like yourself and try and win your vote and left a lot of the democratic base in the dust. For anyone even remotely left leaning, which party represents them? Why would they vote for democrats when the democrats have become the old republican party?
I think the right-wing propoganda that left-leaning candidates, no further left than European politicians have you, are communists, has been very successful. Dwight Eisenhower was further left than any of the democrats that we are told are the only democrats that can win national elections today. Yet, democrats keep losing. Why? Because unlike republicans, they have given a big middle finger to their base. They think we will just fall in line as they keep following the extremists to the right and continue to vote for them. Kamala Harris campaigned with one of the least popular politicians in the country in Liz Cheney to win people like you over and in my opinion, she lost more voters like me and reddenver than gained voters like you by doing that.
There arent enough of you to make up the difference of the lost voters in the democratic base. Republicans went further right because their base called for that and they made sure the politicians followed and the moderate R voters fell in line. A very limited number actually left the party and voted Harris. Now we are seeing more moderates in the dem party wanting to be more progressive because they can see that progressives are the only Ds actually fighting back against the extremists. Last month, polls showed the dem base went from 25% in January wanting the party to be more progressive to 50% wanting them to be more progressive. Amazing what actually having a spine and fighting back against the other side can do as far as public opinion.
Bernie Sanders has a 70% approval rating, the highest in the senate and Cuck Schumer has a 17% approval rating. But yet, moderate Rs that have made themselves right at home in the dem party since 2016 have told us Sanders/progressives can never win, yet its never even been tried before in the modern era, so how would you know? The only evidence we have of a true left leaning candidate winning in this country is FDR and he won 4x. So why cant it happen again? The one time in my life we have had a somewhat progressive presidential candidate was Obama and he won in a landslide in 2008 and actually had a mandate for change, unlike Trump who didnt even win 50% of the vote. Then when he got in, he didnt govern as a progressive, but as a moderate, and in my opinion, this is where democrats lost a lot of voters. Obama got his opponents health care plan passed while he had a super majority and thought that was good enough for people. Why would people continue to vote for a party that doesnt deliver on their campaign promises?
And now the base is calling for Schumer to step down from leadership and he refuses because he thinks hes the future of where the D party needs to go. Just another middle finger to the base. You can only s#!t on people for so long before they give up on the system. The biggest voting bloc in the country are registered voters who dont vote. So good luck with your moderate republican party and trying to win over more Liz Cheney voters and losing dem base voters who want change within the party, but get s#!t on at every turn. This country will keep moving further and further right until the GOP takes us off a cliff because there will be no opposition party anymore to combat their message and gain new voters or lost voters. The days of Cuck Schumer are over, the faster moderate republicans in the dem party realize this, the faster we can defeat the extremists on the right. But they wont change or step down, because they benefit from this system and get rich by playing along. Any change to the status quo would upset their donors and then the money train stops and they know this. Just take a look at Ruben Gallego and the article I posted above. He beat Sinema in the primary because he exposed her corruption and then as soon as he gets in, he becomes corrupt himself. A tale as old as time.
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RedDenver
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It's ridiculous you think disagreeing with Israel's government makes "the left" unelectable.
But keep running center-right Dems, it's totally working out
Guy Chamberlin
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Some people will protest Israel's prosecution of Gaza because they believe it's the right and moral thing to do. It's a fairly large and global faction, not unlike protesting Russia, Putin, and Trump for their territorial agendas. Dems protested other Dems because Dems were in office at the time and in the position to do something. At some point it actually gets weird to pretend that appalling and avoidable civilian casualties are not taking place. History doesn't look kindly on those moments.
A small faction of that Dem faction keeps going to the point of supporting Hamas itself, a big mistake but not unlike, say, the extremists who occasionally embarrass Republicans (although that's getting a lot harder to do).
And of course like you, the Biden and Harris campaigns did the electoral calculus, gave their unambiguous support to Israel, avoided the subject of Gaza like the plague, and lost anyway.
Guy Chamberlin
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Guy Chamberlin
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There's certainly some truth to this, but at the end of the day virtually no one on the Left considers either Biden or Harris One of Them.
The Chuck Shumer wing believed that by staying Centrist they could replace any lost lefty college voter with five wavering Republicans. That was definitely the wrong take.
The next election belongs to the candidate who understands the massive overlap in the Populist vote, which has never been exactly left or right but united in its mistrust of elites.That might include going against the wishes of both the DNC and RNC. Genuine charisma will be required.
Guy Chamberlin
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Give a Republican a fish and he will be a delusional a$$hole with a fish.
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