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BigRedBuster said:
Interesting. 
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This is a good example of how decorum can be wielded as a weapon. The normal, polite thing to do is not make a big thing out of it in such a public setting. The normal, polite thing to do is to let these people receive their fossil fuel sector donations in peace and not cause a ruckus. Inertia is powerful, and results in the messed up bizzaro world where letting crazy things continue is moderacy, and those who take a stand are out of line.

 
The time part is not unbelievable I guess — it’s the conflicts. How does the conservative, skeptical of government side want there to be so few limits on government oversight when they are in charge? Perhaps what they wanted all along was just a government that worked in full service to industry, free and unencumbered. 

Add to the absurdly long list of things to remember at the polls. It’s our country dang it, and we can do something about it.

 
9 hours ago, Moiraine said:

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Renewables, particularly PV, are becoming so low in cost that fossil fuels will be forced out of the market. The real barrier right now is energy storage, and companies like Tesla are already producing batteries that are economically competitive with current power production, especially when considering ramping costs.

I've posted this in one of these threads before, but here's Lazard's Levelized Cost of Energy Analysis from Nov. 2017:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lazard.com%2Fmedia%2F450337%2Flazard-levelized-cost-of-energy-version-110.pdf

This is an in-depth analysis of different means of producing power that looks at unsubsidized renewables vs conventional power. The basic summary is that only gas combined cycle power plants ($42-$78/MWh) can compete with utility scale PV ($43-$53/MWh) and wind ($30-$60/MWh) when looking at direct power production, and PV costs are still falling. But the holy grail of renewables is with energy storage, which is now highly competitive at $82/MWh for PV, and both PV and battery costs are falling.

 
not sure where to post this...but guess this topic is as close as anything.   very inspiring video if true.  Maybe we could learn something from the dutch


 
Moiraine said:
A quick google search tells me that the fake, failing New York Times, politico, and Washington Post all wrote an articles on it.
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Did they freak out about it repeatedly or grudgingly cover it after Fox News shamed them into it?

Given the outrage about it here, can I assume Huma is in jail someplace? Just to protect us all from the horror and all... :-)

 
^ Hopefully the car companies are smart enough to realize this will be changed back when President Dumbf*** is gone.

Have these guys not seen what L.A. used to look like and what it looks like now?

It doesn't matter if climate change is real — pollution can cause cancer and lung problems.

 
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