The Environment
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BigRedBuster
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Drain The Swamp.
commando
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trump took the gators out of the swamp and brought in a bunch of creatures from the black lagoon
commando
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Danny Bateman
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Gee, I can't imagine how this could possibly go poorly.
Kiyoat Husker
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/09/climate/trump-florida-offshore-drilling.html
The Trump administration said Tuesday it had ruled out drilling for oil and gas off the coast of Florida after strong opposition from the state’s Republican governor, Rick Scott.
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“I support the governor’s position that Florida is unique and its coasts are heavily reliant on tourism as an economic driver,” Mr. Zinke said in a statement after meeting Governor Scott in Florida. “I am removing Florida from consideration for any new oil and gas platforms.”
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A tweet from California's Attorney General, Xavier Becerra:
:blink: Gee, who knew there would be any push-back on such a sound policy decision....
The Trump administration said Tuesday it had ruled out drilling for oil and gas off the coast of Florida after strong opposition from the state’s Republican governor, Rick Scott.
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“I support the governor’s position that Florida is unique and its coasts are heavily reliant on tourism as an economic driver,” Mr. Zinke said in a statement after meeting Governor Scott in Florida. “I am removing Florida from consideration for any new oil and gas platforms.”
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A tweet from California's Attorney General, Xavier Becerra:
:blink: Gee, who knew there would be any push-back on such a sound policy decision....
Danny Bateman
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It's almost as if California doesn't have a big Trump supporter running for U.S. Senate.
Cronyism & corruption are enduring hallmarks of Trump's presidency.
Kiyoat Husker
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I can see both sides of the offshore drilling discussion.
1. On some level, we can't have a healthy economy without industry. Industry can be messy and ugly. So there is a little hypocrisy in the NIMBY arguments. Its like landfills. Nobody wants to live near a landfill. And yet we keep throwing things away, hoping they "disappear". Or Hog confinements. They wouldn't exist without a demand for meat. But nobody wants one built near them.
2. On the other hand, Hog confinements don't have to be cruel places that you have to wear a respirator to enter, the animals routinely cannibalize each other, and efficiency trumps any consideration for the animal's well-being. Hog confinements don't have to have manure containment that fails, and dumps concentrated waste into streams.
It's OK to hold industries to high emissions and pollution standards. It's OK to hold industries to minimum worker safety standards. Yes, it will affect profit margins and competitiveness. Yes, owners will still make plenty of money, without infringing on American citizens' rights to life, liberty and not getting cancer from their food, air and water.
The powerful special interests that want more and more deregulation are not the non-union factory workers, afraid of losing jobs. They are the ones that profit the most from big industry.
1. On some level, we can't have a healthy economy without industry. Industry can be messy and ugly. So there is a little hypocrisy in the NIMBY arguments. Its like landfills. Nobody wants to live near a landfill. And yet we keep throwing things away, hoping they "disappear". Or Hog confinements. They wouldn't exist without a demand for meat. But nobody wants one built near them.
2. On the other hand, Hog confinements don't have to be cruel places that you have to wear a respirator to enter, the animals routinely cannibalize each other, and efficiency trumps any consideration for the animal's well-being. Hog confinements don't have to have manure containment that fails, and dumps concentrated waste into streams.
It's OK to hold industries to high emissions and pollution standards. It's OK to hold industries to minimum worker safety standards. Yes, it will affect profit margins and competitiveness. Yes, owners will still make plenty of money, without infringing on American citizens' rights to life, liberty and not getting cancer from their food, air and water.
The powerful special interests that want more and more deregulation are not the non-union factory workers, afraid of losing jobs. They are the ones that profit the most from big industry.
Kiyoat Husker
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Here's the last paragraph of the article I linked about offshore drilling:
"The move to open America’s coastal waters to drilling is the latest in a series of efforts to reverse restrictions on energy production. The Interior Department has also repealed offshore drilling safety regulations that were put in place after the Deepwater Horizon disaster."
seems legit.
"The move to open America’s coastal waters to drilling is the latest in a series of efforts to reverse restrictions on energy production. The Interior Department has also repealed offshore drilling safety regulations that were put in place after the Deepwater Horizon disaster."
seems legit.
BigRedBuster
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Just to be clear....I'm hoping you over exaggerated this to make a point and realize hog confinements are not like that.