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Redux said:
Can you post one that shows it's not?

What a ridiculous thing to say 

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Nah, a ridiculous thing to say is that something prevents or cures an illness without any scientific evidence whatsoever for such claim.  It's even more ridiculous when the most recent studies show that it's entirely ineffective.  Then even more ridiculous is to double down when asked to provide any studies you may have been getting your information from and you present..... nothing.   

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2115869

Treatment with ivermectin did not result in a lower incidence of medical admission to a hospital due to progression of Covid-19 or of prolonged emergency department observation among outpatients with an early diagnosis of Covid-19.
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So do you have anything?  

 
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BigRedBuster said:
I believe Scotch and a cigar kills Covid.  I can't find any research saying it doesn't.  So....it must be true.
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DevoHusker said:
That'd be a lot more fun
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I’m with devo on this. I could learn to like scotch although bourbon would be even better. Either way, lightyears ahead of an animal dewormer.

I’m amazed at the people that will run wild based on a few anecdotal stories but will absolutely question actual scientific information to the very end. It’s quite the conundrum.

 
The biggest problem with the human Ivermectin discussion (in relation to COVID) is that the majority of the reliable data and research to this point do not support its use for COVID. Most of the case studies and research that has tried to support Ivermectin use have been shown to be heavily flawed, unreliable, or have shown that it didn't impact anything enough to warrant use. And most of the stories of people being successfully treated with it are anecdotal, inconsistent, and/or turn out to be untrue upon any modicum of research.

So, this is primarily a thing because it became political, and the overwhelming majority of the scientific community is on the same page about Ivermectin for COVID at this point. And there's no conspiratorial reason behind it. There just isn't enough reliable proof.

I'm a totally open-minded person on this, too. If I can see the majority of data and research that proves Ivermectin helps against COVID, and if most doctors are behind the research, then hell yeah. Let's pump that into production and mass distribute it. I want to save lives as much as anybody else but not at the expense of logic and public safety.

 
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My question is why do the people who don't trust the research on COVID vaccines so quickly adopt optional treatments with vastly less research and sketchy endorsements?

I mean, I know the answer. It's just bizarre to think about. 

 
Lorewarn said:
That's not how science works my man. You can't prove negatives.
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I can prove that gullible people were dumb enough to believe that mass amounts of people took Horse Dewormer for Covid.  I can prove that they are conducting studies to see how effective Ivermectin is in treatment of Covid.  I can listen to Doctors who promote treatment over fear mongering.

"4 out of 5 Dentists approve of this toothpaste!"  Does that mean 5th Dentist is a quack?  Nope.  But that was the narrative, and now people scream Horse medecine and point to favorable articles that proclaim misinformation because it's convenient.  This world sucks lol, whatever happened to objectivity and free thought.

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
My question is why do the people who don't trust the research on COVID vaccines so quickly adopt optional treatments with vastly less research and sketchy endorsements?

I mean, I know the answer. It's just bizarre to think about. 
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That's putting it pretty open ended.  Ivermectin has been around since the 70's and won a nobel prize, has had research out the wazzu and until 2020 was heralded as a wonder drug (yes, the human form).  Now if you Google Ivermectin, you are only really going to see how It's NOT intended for usage against Covid.  Nevermind that off label use of drugs and medecine is not a new practice by any stretch of the imagination, but why would that be?  Spoiler Alert, not because countless morons died from horse pills.  

 
Scarlet said:
Nah, a ridiculous thing to say is that something prevents or cures an illness without any scientific evidence whatsoever for such claim.  It's even more ridiculous when the most recent studies show that it's entirely ineffective.  Then even more ridiculous is to double down when asked to provide any studies you may have been getting your information from and you present..... nothing.   

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2115869

So do you have anything?  
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https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/

Yes, if you read, there is not enough information (wonder why) to encourage or discourage the usage of Ivermectin as a treatment (not a cure, don't be dense).  

 
RedDenver said:
From that page:
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Yup, now try to pretend for a second you don't already have your mind made up and look for any and I do mean ANY objective article or study about Ivermectin.  Good luck, don't use Google FYI.

Because if it's really about science, shouldn't we all want to know if there is a safe treatment with decades of use?  Why supress that?  We already know Ivermectin is a safe medecine.

 
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Redux said:
Yup, now try to pretend for a second you don't already have your mind made up and look for any and I do mean ANY objective article or study about Ivermectin.  Good luck, don't use Google FYI.
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Took me 3 seconds to find one from the last month: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35353979/#:~:text=Conclusions%3A Treatment with ivermectin did,early diagnosis of Covid-19.

Conclusions: Treatment with ivermectin did not result in a lower incidence of medical admission to a hospital due to progression of Covid-19 or of prolonged emergency department observation among outpatients with an early diagnosis of Covid-19. 
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RedDenver said:
From that page:
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Since that was all you read, I'll offer some cliff notes that haven't changed since 2021

Reports from in vitro studies suggest that ivermectin acts by inhibiting the host importin alpha/beta-1 nuclear transport proteins, which are part of a key intracellular transport process that viruses hijack to enhance infection by suppressing the host’s antiviral response.4,5 In addition, ivermectin docking may interfere with the attachment of the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) spike protein to the human cell membrane.6 Ivermectin is thought to be a host-directed agent, which may be the basis for its broad-spectrum activity in vitro against the viruses that cause dengue, Zika, HIV, and yellow fever.4,7-9 Despite this in vitro activity, no clinical trials have reported a clinical benefit for ivermectin in patients with these viruses. Some studies of ivermectin have also reported potential anti-inflammatory properties, which have been postulated to be beneficial in people with COVID-19.10-12
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  • There is insufficient evidence for the COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel (the Panel) to recommend either for or against the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19. Results from adequately powered, well-designed, and well-conducted clinical trials are needed to provide more specific, evidence-based guidance on the role of ivermectin in the treatment of COVID-19.
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Or just click this:

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04381884?term=Ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=1

Brief Summary:
In the context of COVID-19 pandemic, a report on ivermectin suppression of SARS-CoV-2 viral replication in cell cultures has been published, and the use of this medication seems to be potentially useful for the therapy. IVM safety profile and IVM wide spectrum enables to move forward with the investigation in patients infected by SARS-CoV-2 as a proof-of-concept of its possible use in the management of patients with COVID-19, given the current pandemic situation.
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RedDenver said:
Took me 3 seconds to find one from the last month: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35353979/#:~:text=Conclusions%3A Treatment with ivermectin did,early diagnosis of Covid-19.
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I'm sorry, where does it say that Ivermectin is harmful?  And nobody from that study showed any signs of improvement?  Sure...

From 2 days ago:

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/politics/ohio-politics/ohio-doctors-could-soon-be-required-to-promote-ivermectin-to-treat-covid-19?_amp=true

 
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