The Way Too Early 2028 Election

Crusader Husker said:
I am a (or was) hard core republican.  I look back on his time as president.  He did a great job of reaching accross the aisle.  He was a moderate.  Of the candidates mention.  Who is the closest to him?
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Clinton was awesome...I don't really think the D/R mattered to him at all.  I think he just new how to get stuff done and was a heck of a speaker.  

 
teachercd said:
Clinton was awesome...I don't really think the D/R mattered to him at all.  I think he just new how to get stuff done and was a heck of a speaker.  
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Well he did what we typically hate about politicians: he held up his finger, figured out which way the winds were blowing, and changed his mind to protect his political career. 

I always found Bill a little too practiced and smarmy and calculating, but if you were looking for the kind of America most of us could live with, 1993 -2000 worked pretty well. 

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
Well he did what we typically hate about politicians: he held up his finger, figured out which way the winds were blowing, and changed his mind to protect his political career. 

I always found Bill a little too practiced and smarmy and calculating, but if you were looking for the kind of America most of us could live with, 1993 -2000 worked pretty well. 
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I always wondered if he was really that polished or if he was just one of those natural smooth talking types.  Probably a bit of both.  

 
Crusader Husker said:
I am a (or was) hard core republican.  I look back on his time as president.  He did a great job of reaching accross the aisle.  He was a moderate.  Of the candidates mention.  Who is the closest to him?
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This is what people forget about Gavin Newsom. He can and does crack the whip among California Democrats, typically pushing the pragmatic realist route, always the  pro-innovation/pro-business guy, increasingly the tough(er) on crime guy, and the centrist messaging guy. Along with Pete Buttegieg, Newsom is an extremely good extemporaneous speaker. Both of those guys really thrive when thrown into the fire on Fox News, where they have a way of disarming the partisan questiones. Newsom is probably closer to Arnold Schwarrzennegar than Nancy Pelosi. 

Keep in mind that lots of Democrats reached across the aisle. Hillary was famous for it as a Senator. Obama probably catered to the other side of the aisle more than his own constituency. When Republicans got spanked in 2008, not unlike the Democrats just now, GOP leadership convened a meeting to discuss a new direction for the Republican Party. With little consensus on what the GOP stood for and what aisles might be crossed, GOP leadership sent the word out to simply oppose whatever Obama proposed until they figured it out. What they quickly figured out is that opposing Obama was all they had to do. They didn't even need to craft alternative policies.

And that's where we are. 

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
This is what people forget about Gavin Newsom. He can and does crack the whip among California Democrats, typically pushing the pragmatic realist route, always the  pro-innovation/pro-business guy, increasingly the tough(er) on crime guy, and the centrist messaging guy. Along with Pete Buttegieg, Newsom is an extremely good extemporaneous speaker. Both of those guys really thrive when thrown into the fire on Fox News, where they have a way of disarming the partisan questiones. Newsom is probably closer to Arnold Schwarrzennegar than Nancy Pelosi. 

Keep in mind that lots of Democrats reached across the aisle. Hillary was famous for it as a Senator. Obama probably catered to the other side of the aisle more than his own constituency. When Republicans got spanked in 2008, not unlike the Democrats just now, GOP leadership convened a meeting to discuss a new direction for the Republican Party. With little consensus on what the GOP stood for and what aisles might be crossed, GOP leadership sent the word out to simply oppose whatever Obama proposed until they figured it out. What they quickly figured out is that opposing Obama was all they had to do. They didn't even need to craft alternative policies.

And that's where we are. 
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I mean, isn’t that the new plan for Democrats now?

People never punish opposition parties for their intransigence and after a while inevitably get pissed off at the party with power.

Personally I’m sick of being the party who is expected to be perfect and graded on a massively outsized curve compared to the Republicans.

There’s an extremely slim chance Dems could still take the House. Particularly if they do I hope they just sandbag anything and everything they can. Gum up the works. There is no benefit to being the bigger man. Just kneecap them at every turn.

Gonna be much harder in the minority, though. Although watching Republicans try to reach consensus on anything but tax cuts is pretty comical. Like a bunch of cats fighting in a burlap sack.

 
Apsu said:
So basically you wanted an election between Democrats and Democrat-approved Republicans.
If that happened, Kamala would have probably not been endorsed by John Bolton and the Cheney family.
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No, if you read my post, I wanted Republican's to nominate Donald Trump and the crazies that try to imitate him.

That's because the crazies that imitate him don't do so successfully, and they lose what should be unlosable elections in an environment that massively favors Republican candidates. Why would I want Republicans to nominate Mitt Romney for him to win like 400 electoral college votes and have Republicans control a filibuster-proof Senate, on top of a 50 seat house majority with state legislatures that are unbreakable?  

As a Democrat, I cannot tell you how thankful I am that Herschel Walker ran for Senate in Georgia instead of somebody who can string a few sentences together, or that Kari Lake will end up fumbling yet another election in a red state. So please, whatever you do, keep the MAGA dream alive post Trump.

 
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