lo country
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Nice info. Had to google him. With starters out, that is a telling stat. Good on him for stepping up. One "positive" thing with injuries is the development of depth..
This ain't MSU's defense
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lo country
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Man, no doubt. Make it happen. Every time I see that number....... Only saving grace is we owned it for a week, but that number is seared into the mind of every Husker fan.
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In the Deed the Glory
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Sigh.
I think I am done with this board. We can't even have optimism for a brighter future anymore. After a win, no less.
I think I am done with this board. We can't even have optimism for a brighter future anymore. After a win, no less.
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It'sNotAFakeID
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Let's have a little fun. Here are the stats of Michigan State's opponents in 2007:
UAB: 21/39, 265 yards, 1TD, 1 INT, 19.3 QBR; 32 rushes, 12 yards
Bowling Green: 32/51, 328 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT, 45.6 QBR; 25 rushes, 47 yards
Pittsburgh: 9/20, 118 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT, 10.5 QBR; 38 rushes, 207 yards
Notre Dame: 11/20 118 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT, 6.2 QBR; 35 rushes, 117 yards
Wisconsin: 17/25, 267 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT, 43.0 QBR; 52 rushes, 214 yards
Northwestern: 38/49, 522 yards, 5 TD, 0 INT, 96.0 QBR; 34 rushes, 91 yards
Indiana: 13/19, 211 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 56.3 QBR; 17 rushes 22 yards
Ohio State: 15/23, 206 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 69.4 QBR; 47 rushes, 229 yards
Iowa: 5/15, 64 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 11.4 QBR; 44 rushes, 230 yards
Michigan: 18/33, 221 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT; 51.4 QBR; 30 rushes, 100 yards
Purdue: 29/45, 362 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT, 67.8 QBR; 25 rushes, 173 yards
Penn State: 16/37, 188 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 33.9 QBR; 40 rushes, 167 yards
And now Nebraska's defensive stats through 4 games so far (this is going to be painful):
BYU: 28/46, 379 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 68.5/87.6 (Hill/Mangum) QBR; 26 rushes, 132 yards
South Alabama: 26/45, 313 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 42.5 QBR; 24 rushes, 19 yards
Miami: 25/42, 379 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 67.6 QBR; 33 rushes, 132 yards
Southern Miss: 26/42 447 (*cough*) yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 72.1 QBR; 23 rushes, 11 yards
So as you can see, those aren't quite similar stats that teams put up against the Spartans in Narduzzi's first year implementing his similar defense at Michigan State. Now you can take this one of a few ways:
1. It's easier for teams to pass the ball in 2015 than 2007, and there's been a greater emphasis by teams to throw the ball more. I think it's pretty safe to acknowledge that offenses are scoring more points in today's version of the game than they scored in older versions. Just the way the game is called and officiated gives offenses advantages over the defense, and good teams are taking advantage of that. Despite the changes in the game since 2007, there's not much of a difference in how many yards a majority of teams pass for between 2007 and 2014. In 2007, a majority of college teams ended the season with 2155-3685 yards whereas in 2014 a majority of teams ended the season with 2146-3782 yards.
2. Perhaps the teams we faced were just pass heavy teams. It's true, the Big Ten is a run-heavy conference, and perhaps our secondary won't be asked to do as much work as they have during the past 4 weeks. So perhaps we won't be seeing these kind of performances because our conference opponents will stress running over passing and will play into the strength of our defense. I looked at the run/pass % of teams on our schedules, just to see if we just had the misfortune of coming across pass-heavy offenses.
BYU after 4 games, sits at 54/46 pass/run%: against Nebraska it was 64/36 pass/run%
USA after 3 games, sits at 51/49 pass/run%: against Nebraska it was 65/35 pass/run%
Miami after 3 games, sits at 54/46 pass/run%: against Nebraska it was 56/44 pass/run%
So Miss after 4 games, sits at 53/47 pass/run%: against Nebraska it was 65/35 pass/run %
So the only game where the pass/run splits wasn't significantly different than the team's season average was against Miami, which means that teams were able to notice that they were able to get Nebraska through the air that they were comfortable enough abandoning their identity. If Nebraska's secondary play doesn't improve, more teams--regardless of how pass or run-heavy their offenses are, will be comfortable in abandoning their offensive identity as well. Let's see their pass/run% so far in this young season:
Illinois: 51/49 pass/run%
Wisconsin: 48/52 pass/run%
Minnesota: 46/54 pass/run%
Northwestern: 27/73 pass/run%
Purdue: 50/50 pass/run%
Michigan State: 42/58 pass/run%
Rutgers: 43/57 pass/run%
Iowa: 43/57 pass/run%
So more teams in the Big Ten favor the run game over the pass, that's not really surprising, and could mean that our defense may improve upon entering conference play. Although I'm not sure if teams will stay true to their identity and tendencies or if they will abandon that and pass more because of how porous our secondary has been in the early going.
Nevertheless, this defense--the secondary especially--has a lot of work to do if we want to get through this season respectably.
UAB: 21/39, 265 yards, 1TD, 1 INT, 19.3 QBR; 32 rushes, 12 yards
Bowling Green: 32/51, 328 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT, 45.6 QBR; 25 rushes, 47 yards
Pittsburgh: 9/20, 118 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT, 10.5 QBR; 38 rushes, 207 yards
Notre Dame: 11/20 118 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT, 6.2 QBR; 35 rushes, 117 yards
Wisconsin: 17/25, 267 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT, 43.0 QBR; 52 rushes, 214 yards
Northwestern: 38/49, 522 yards, 5 TD, 0 INT, 96.0 QBR; 34 rushes, 91 yards
Indiana: 13/19, 211 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 56.3 QBR; 17 rushes 22 yards
Ohio State: 15/23, 206 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 69.4 QBR; 47 rushes, 229 yards
Iowa: 5/15, 64 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 11.4 QBR; 44 rushes, 230 yards
Michigan: 18/33, 221 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT; 51.4 QBR; 30 rushes, 100 yards
Purdue: 29/45, 362 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT, 67.8 QBR; 25 rushes, 173 yards
Penn State: 16/37, 188 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 33.9 QBR; 40 rushes, 167 yards
And now Nebraska's defensive stats through 4 games so far (this is going to be painful):
BYU: 28/46, 379 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 68.5/87.6 (Hill/Mangum) QBR; 26 rushes, 132 yards
South Alabama: 26/45, 313 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 42.5 QBR; 24 rushes, 19 yards
Miami: 25/42, 379 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 67.6 QBR; 33 rushes, 132 yards
Southern Miss: 26/42 447 (*cough*) yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 72.1 QBR; 23 rushes, 11 yards
So as you can see, those aren't quite similar stats that teams put up against the Spartans in Narduzzi's first year implementing his similar defense at Michigan State. Now you can take this one of a few ways:
1. It's easier for teams to pass the ball in 2015 than 2007, and there's been a greater emphasis by teams to throw the ball more. I think it's pretty safe to acknowledge that offenses are scoring more points in today's version of the game than they scored in older versions. Just the way the game is called and officiated gives offenses advantages over the defense, and good teams are taking advantage of that. Despite the changes in the game since 2007, there's not much of a difference in how many yards a majority of teams pass for between 2007 and 2014. In 2007, a majority of college teams ended the season with 2155-3685 yards whereas in 2014 a majority of teams ended the season with 2146-3782 yards.
2. Perhaps the teams we faced were just pass heavy teams. It's true, the Big Ten is a run-heavy conference, and perhaps our secondary won't be asked to do as much work as they have during the past 4 weeks. So perhaps we won't be seeing these kind of performances because our conference opponents will stress running over passing and will play into the strength of our defense. I looked at the run/pass % of teams on our schedules, just to see if we just had the misfortune of coming across pass-heavy offenses.
BYU after 4 games, sits at 54/46 pass/run%: against Nebraska it was 64/36 pass/run%
USA after 3 games, sits at 51/49 pass/run%: against Nebraska it was 65/35 pass/run%
Miami after 3 games, sits at 54/46 pass/run%: against Nebraska it was 56/44 pass/run%
So Miss after 4 games, sits at 53/47 pass/run%: against Nebraska it was 65/35 pass/run %
So the only game where the pass/run splits wasn't significantly different than the team's season average was against Miami, which means that teams were able to notice that they were able to get Nebraska through the air that they were comfortable enough abandoning their identity. If Nebraska's secondary play doesn't improve, more teams--regardless of how pass or run-heavy their offenses are, will be comfortable in abandoning their offensive identity as well. Let's see their pass/run% so far in this young season:
Illinois: 51/49 pass/run%
Wisconsin: 48/52 pass/run%
Minnesota: 46/54 pass/run%
Northwestern: 27/73 pass/run%
Purdue: 50/50 pass/run%
Michigan State: 42/58 pass/run%
Rutgers: 43/57 pass/run%
Iowa: 43/57 pass/run%
So more teams in the Big Ten favor the run game over the pass, that's not really surprising, and could mean that our defense may improve upon entering conference play. Although I'm not sure if teams will stay true to their identity and tendencies or if they will abandon that and pass more because of how porous our secondary has been in the early going.
Nevertheless, this defense--the secondary especially--has a lot of work to do if we want to get through this season respectably.
Count 'Bility
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overall. Yes. It is the same basic concept. Are there differences in certain little techniques and alignments and tendancies? Sure. Obviously. But the overall concept is the same. And drastically different than bos. And i see that as a big issue. I see guys really struggling with the defensive system change. Theyre not bad habits. Theyre just reverting to old habits trained into them from the old system.
I know football. And ill say confidently moresothan many posters here. So yeah. Dont confuse me saying the two systems are the same with "theyre exactly the same".
And dont compare game 4 of a new staff and new system and such results with that of an establishedsystem and culture of that of the high point of a programs entire history. Regardless of similarities and differences in systems, thats unreasonable.
DomiNUs
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Sometimes I think the same thing. But then again, I have watched a lot of football, and I can see a train wreck in progress, as can a lot of other people. I think people are just voicing their concerns and hoping for the best. Man I hope this defense gets fixed. Our offense actually is not too bad. If the defense can improve from terrible to mediocre, I think the season may be able to be salvaged.
Count 'Bility
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And ill add this. At the end of the day, im not sold on Banker either. I have doubts. But its not the system. Its the teacher and the skills.
The one thing i do like is the drastic change in mentality to stop the run first. And in the Big ten west, thatconcept alone will win you games.
Dave aranda. DC at wisconsin. Came from the Pac12. Was asked the difference of DCing in the Pac12 vs Big ten. He said straight up. You gotta get a safety down and stopthe run first and foremost. Because if you cant do that nothin else matters. He knew this before even coaching a game in the Big Ten. Bo played and coached 4 years on the conference and still couldnt buy in to that mentality.
The one thing i do like is the drastic change in mentality to stop the run first. And in the Big ten west, thatconcept alone will win you games.
Dave aranda. DC at wisconsin. Came from the Pac12. Was asked the difference of DCing in the Pac12 vs Big ten. He said straight up. You gotta get a safety down and stopthe run first and foremost. Because if you cant do that nothin else matters. He knew this before even coaching a game in the Big Ten. Bo played and coached 4 years on the conference and still couldnt buy in to that mentality.
lo country
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That info does not make one more comfortable heading into a "run first" conference.
So?...
Kurt Warner used to stock grocery shelves after his college football days...for a while. Does that discredit every coach, scout, and general manager in the NFL during that time, or was it just one of those "who woulda' thought?" things that happen.
I can't wait to see your graphs and charts connecting Pelini to global warming.
Sargon
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4skers89
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Good points in the OP. Watching MSU's defense I got the impression that whoever developed it had a great sense of timing and how to take advantage of it. When they blitz they are good at it and get to the QB fast and don't allow time for long paases. Knowing that, they swarm the short routes. Maybe pressing the receivers is key to slowing the receivers to allow time for safeties to drop back to help with deep routes. In other words, bringing the safeties close to the line to help out in the run doesn't hurt the pass defense due to timing as long as you press the receivers. I think it's legitimate to compare to MSU if Banker's defense is supposedly similar which I believe was stated as such by Banker himself.
It'sNotAFakeID
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So let's see how Wisconsin has done against the pass:
Alabama: 22/29, 264 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 57.2 QBR; 37 rushes, 238 yards
Miami (OH): 13/34, 160 yards, 0 TD, 3 INT, 4.9 QBR; 24 rushes, -3 yards
Troy: 23/35, 174 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT, 34.1 QBR; 33 rushes, 81 yards
And so far against Hawaii: 10/23, 167 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT; 14 rushes, 4 yards
A little bit different. But then again, they weren't exactly facing murderer's row of opponents. The one tough opponent they did face--Alabama--threw it pretty well against them, but had lower numbers because they were able to get their yards on the ground as well.
I'd be curious to see how Wisconsin runs this a similar scheme differently than Nebraska does, and perhaps that'd be a good study for Banker: take a look at Wisconsin's defensive tape and MSU under Narduzzi's defensive tape.
It'sNotAFakeID
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They're not exactly supposed to, they certainly don't make me feel comfortable either.
Count 'Bility
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global warming is a scam. So yeah...