To Tweet Or Not To Tweet

[QMany]

I imagine they will do something about it, by picking a school to make an example of and enforcing the existing rule.

You think they'll just pick some random school, some random recruit, and look at their tweet, "you would be great here," and bring down the hammer? Serious question on how you think they'll do it, not trying to be a d!(k.

The NCAA has such big issues that it needs to deal with. I don't think they're that arbitrary and stupid. That is a can of worms they won't want to open.

 

[knapplc]

They are arbitrary and stupid. A look back at recent enforcement decisions shows us that. And they've stuck their head up their a$$ so many times lately it wouldn't at all be surprising to see them do it again, soon.

How do I think they'll choose to enforce this rule? Something egregious will happen, something that makes a headline or twelve, and they'll awaken from their somnolence and decide they need to make an example out of it. Something way closer to the goober who called that recruit than what Army_Allen has done (which, to be clear, I think is minor - but still a bad idea).

 

[sd'sker]

knapp (or anyone else), how would you think about army allen, a youth, tweeting at other youths who are being recruited by nu if it was *not* and ncaa violation?

no one is arguing that it is not a violation, we are just arguing that it is a stupid violation and not likely to amount to anything even if they did address it. i posted earlier of football players tweeting recruits, the ncaa took notice of it (it was a secondary violation), and that was it.

 

[sd'sker]

has any one brought up the 500 lb. gorilla in the room, yet? linkedin?

 

[knapplc]

knapp (or anyone else), how would you think about army allen, a youth, tweeting at other youths who are being recruited by nu if it was *not* and ncaa violation?

no one is arguing that it is not a violation, we are just arguing that it is a stupid violation and not likely to amount to anything even if they did address it. i posted earlier of football players tweeting recruits, the ncaa took notice of it (it was a secondary violation), and that was it.

I answered that a while ago, but it bears repeating. People of that age tweeting each other isn't freaky. It's how the kids interact these days. It could be a bit socially awkward, much like the nerdy hero-worshiping guy walking up to the captain of the football team and trying to be buddies back in the day was awkward, but if everyone involved is cool with it, it's cool.

There's something kinda freaky with a guy in his mid to late 20s tweeting at recruits who are 17, 18 or 19 years old. The age difference becomes more troublesome there.

It gets entirely freaky when you've got someone in their 30s and older tweeting at recruits in any fashion. If you don't know that kid, it's best to leave them alone. That age difference is worlds apart in maturity most times. Someone my age has no business tweeting recruits. That's not freaky, that's outright creepy.

EDIT - it bears noting that I learned this because I have tweeted at players in the past (not recruits) and it felt weird upon reflection. I won't do it again, even to the kids I know. If I want to talk to them, I'll go see them.

 

[sd'sker]

knapp (or anyone else), how would you think about army allen, a youth, tweeting at other youths who are being recruited by nu if it was *not* and ncaa violation?

no one is arguing that it is not a violation, we are just arguing that it is a stupid violation and not likely to amount to anything even if they did address it. i posted earlier of football players tweeting recruits, the ncaa took notice of it (it was a secondary violation), and that was it.

I answered that a while ago, but it bears repeating. People of that age tweeting each other isn't freaky. It's how the kids interact these days. It could be a bit socially awkward, much like the nerdy hero-worshiping guy walking up to the captain of the football team and trying to be buddies back in the day was awkward, but if everyone involved is cool with it, it's cool.

There's something kinda freaky with a guy in his mid to late 20s tweeting at recruits who are 17, 18 or 19 years old. The age difference becomes more troublesome there.

It gets entirely freaky when you've got someone in their 30s and older tweeting at recruits in any fashion. If you don't know that kid, it's best to leave them alone. That age difference is worlds apart in maturity most times. Someone my age has no business tweeting recruits. That's not freaky, that's outright creepy.

i agree. how do you think the ncaa should address this issue?

 

[RedRedJarvisRedwine]

knapp (or anyone else), how would you think about army allen, a youth, tweeting at other youths who are being recruited by nu if it was *not* and ncaa violation?

no one is arguing that it is not a violation, we are just arguing that it is a stupid violation and not likely to amount to anything even if they did address it. i posted earlier of football players tweeting recruits, the ncaa took notice of it (it was a secondary violation), and that was it.

I answered that a while ago, but it bears repeating. People of that age tweeting each other isn't freaky. It's how the kids interact these days. It could be a bit socially awkward, much like the nerdy hero-worshiping guy walking up to the captain of the football team and trying to be buddies back in the day was awkward, but if everyone involved is cool with it, it's cool.

There's something kinda freaky with a guy in his mid to late 20s tweeting at recruits who are 17, 18 or 19 years old. The age difference becomes more troublesome there.

It gets entirely freaky when you've got someone in their 30s and older tweeting at recruits in any fashion. If you don't know that kid, it's best to leave them alone. That age difference is worlds apart in maturity most times. Someone my age has no business tweeting recruits. That's not freaky, that's outright creepy.

i agree. how do you think the ncaa should address this issue?

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[Creighton Duke]

I get what you're saying Knap, but tbh, it's for the most part cool just getting to know the recruits better than just their name and jersey number. Just think of how friggen nuts the Peters' bros. Twitters woulda been. I've followed the Huskers since I was young young young... I remember watching the 97 championship game at like 5 or 6 while my brother was born and that was crazy and cool and new in itself, but I never knew anything about the players. So for me and why I do tweet them (current,recruits,former) is because one, it's pretty sweet getting to say, "Hey look, Ahman Green is following me on twitter!". And two, you learn that really, they're college kids just like myself who happen to play for my favorite team and that people I idolized growing up like the things I do.

People don't make twitters if they didn't want people to follow, retweet and have quick conversations with people, that's the intent. But if people quiet the hell down aboutd the creeper sh#t (I mean if that case, whoever got my tweets musta went super creeper on me to read all a normal non-famous dudes tweets lol), I won't tweet recruits any longer as I don't want to add to any reason for the NCAA to jump on us. Although I feel that the rules with Tweeting recruits from fans will change before long.

This whole "justification" for beeing so into the Twitter scene is the prime example of the, for back of a better word, strangeness that goes on with people and Twitter. You've harbored these little kid fantasies about being friends with the guys on the 1997 team and you're now getting off to Ahman FREAKING Green following YOU, Army Allen on Twitter. I mean, I don't even know what to think about it other than...well...yeah...

Thanks for making my argument for me, though! :thumbs

I'm getting off to it? Holy f#*k some people are f'ing retarded I swear. It's impossible to have an intelligible conversation with just about anyone on a message board because of people like yourself that jump at the chance to say some f'd up sh#t that in all reality has no bearing on you. It is cool that the dude follows me on twitter, I don't get whats weird about that.

Ok. I've decided to alter my stance on tweeting recruits. "Normal" folks using Twitter should feel free to tweet recruits, but those who have some weird thing going on i.e. those that get off to their childhood idol accepting their follow request and those who want to tweet HS kids probably shouldn't. In other words, those who are dying to tweet the recruits are the same people who shouldn't be tweeting them.

 

[knapplc]

knapp (or anyone else), how would you think about army allen, a youth, tweeting at other youths who are being recruited by nu if it was *not* and ncaa violation?

no one is arguing that it is not a violation, we are just arguing that it is a stupid violation and not likely to amount to anything even if they did address it. i posted earlier of football players tweeting recruits, the ncaa took notice of it (it was a secondary violation), and that was it.

I answered that a while ago, but it bears repeating. People of that age tweeting each other isn't freaky. It's how the kids interact these days. It could be a bit socially awkward, much like the nerdy hero-worshiping guy walking up to the captain of the football team and trying to be buddies back in the day was awkward, but if everyone involved is cool with it, it's cool.

There's something kinda freaky with a guy in his mid to late 20s tweeting at recruits who are 17, 18 or 19 years old. The age difference becomes more troublesome there.

It gets entirely freaky when you've got someone in their 30s and older tweeting at recruits in any fashion. If you don't know that kid, it's best to leave them alone. That age difference is worlds apart in maturity most times. Someone my age has no business tweeting recruits. That's not freaky, that's outright creepy.

i agree. how do you think the ncaa should address this issue?

That is a very complex question and I'm glad I'm not in charge of enforcing those rules.

 

[Mavric]

I was not trying to say there is a difference in the two by the rules, but an inherent difference in those to types of contact in real-life. Recruits interact with fans on Twitter all the damn time. No fan should ever call a recruit on their home phone. Get that?

But Knapplc said END OF STORY so everyone go home.

You're operating from the false premise that the rules have to make sense.

 

[HuskerShark]

But one simple tweet saying something along the lines of the quote above is actually very helpful and is part of being a fan.

No, it isn't. It makes you a booster, and you're committing an NCAA violation on behalf of your school.

But don't believe me. Five other Compliance officers from five other schools have weighed in since yesterday. Their responses:

I can keep emailing Compliance departments from schools across the country and keep posting their responses here if I need to.

I think I will, in fact. Every time some nitwit says "It's OK, it's part of being a fan, the recruits like it" I'll email another Compliance office and post their response.

HAHAHAHA! Of course they are going to say that. That's what they get paid to say. If they said it was permissible, they would probably get in trouble for it.

If they actually hunted down fans on twitter and cussed them out for tweeting and messaging recruits, it would be a different story. But they don't as far as I know. You can waste these peoples' time as much as you want, but it doesn't change the fact that it will never be enforced because it's a retarded-a$$ rule.

 

[Ratt Mhule]

You should e-mail Ole Miss and Miami. Maybe some other SEC teams, also.

 

[walksalone]

I'm getting off to it? Holy f#*k some people are f'ing retarded I swear. It's impossible to have an intelligible conversation with just about anyone on a message board because of people like yourself that jump at the chance to say some f'd up sh#t that in all reality has no bearing on you. It is cool that the dude follows me on twitter, I don't get whats weird about that.

 

[Decked]

I get what you're saying Knap, but tbh, it's for the most part cool just getting to know the recruits better than just their name and jersey number. Just think of how friggen nuts the Peters' bros. Twitters woulda been. I've followed the Huskers since I was young young young... I remember watching the 97 championship game at like 5 or 6 while my brother was born and that was crazy and cool and new in itself, but I never knew anything about the players. So for me and why I do tweet them (current,recruits,former) is because one, it's pretty sweet getting to say, "Hey look, Ahman Green is following me on twitter!". And two, you learn that really, they're college kids just like myself who happen to play for my favorite team and that people I idolized growing up like the things I do.

People don't make twitters if they didn't want people to follow, retweet and have quick conversations with people, that's the intent. But if people quiet the hell down about the creeper sh#t (I mean if that case, whoever got my tweets musta went super creeper on me to read all a normal non-famous dudes tweets lol), I won't tweet recruits any longer as I don't want to add to any reason for the NCAA to jump on us. Although I feel that the rules with Tweeting recruits from fans will change before long.

This whole "justification" for beeing so into the Twitter scene is the prime example of the, for back of a better word, strangeness that goes on with people and Twitter. You've harbored these little kid fantasies about being friends with the guys on the 1997 team and you're now getting off to Ahman FREAKING Green following YOU, Army Allen on Twitter. I mean, I don't even know what to think about it other than...well...yeah...

Thanks for making my argument for me, though! :thumbs

If it means anything Ahman Green follows me on Twitter as well .

 

[knapplc]

Two more schools' Compliance officers responded to my email yesterday:



Good afternoon,

The answer to your question is no, fans are not permitted to contact prospective student-athletes using social media forums such as Facebook and Twitter in order to recruit on behalf of their school. Recruitment of prospective student-athletes is governed by NCAA legislation and may only be performed by institutional coaching staff members. Please let me know if you have any additional questions.

Sarah McPhee

Compliance Coordinator I University of Illinois Division of Intercollegiate Athletics

Bielfeldt Athletic Administration Bldg I 1700 S Fourth St I Champaign, IL 61820



Good morning knapplc,

I hope you are well. Thanks for checking with the Compliance office! It is always great to hear from fans who want to ensure they are adhering to NCAA rules. It is not permissible for fans to publicly comment on or hold public conversations with prospective student athletes, regardless of whether or not they have signed. This includes dialogue on Twitter and Facebook.

I hope this answers your question, again thanks for checking with us. Please feel free to email if you have additional questions.

Niesha Campbell

Compliance Coordinator

Duke University