Triaging the QB room

Enhance said:
Statistically, he's kind of all over the place, which I think is why you, me, and probably a lot of us can't really tell if he's getting better based on what we see on the field. For example, I've been impressed with his ability to find some deep passes the last couple games, but his running style has also gotten a bit timid and he's fumbled a bunch so it's kind of a big ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

100% agree you with regarding the future, though, especially if they were to finish with say 7-8 wins or maybe even a bowl victory. It would take a pretty special player to unseat HH even if HH isn't objectively that great of a QB.
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the same thing happened with T. Mart, A. Mart and to a lesser extent T. Armstrong.  The coaches talk about protecting themselves meaning sliding or running out of bounds but they all became timid runners and started to slow down right before contact.  I don't think that is protecting yourself.  I'm not saying you have to try to run everyone over but you gotta be going full go.   

 
MyBloodIsRed16 said:
the same thing happened with T. Mart, A. Mart and to a lesser extent T. Armstrong.  The coaches talk about protecting themselves meaning sliding or running out of bounds but they all became timid runners and started to slow down right before contact.  I don't think that is protecting yourself.  I'm not saying you have to try to run everyone over but you gotta be going full go.   
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100% agree. 

I remember watching TMart do that and it would just drive me up a wall, because he'd look like a stick in the mud and/or take a huge shot. Same thing is happening to HH now and I agree - it isn't very protective. It's sort of the opposite, because as a runner, it's almost like you're expecting the defender to let up as well, which isn't likely to happen.

What I'd like to see HH do on those plays is slide, dive, or just hit the turf.

 
Enhance said:
 I remember watching TMart do that and it would just drive me up a wall, because he'd look like a stick in the mud and/or take a huge shot. Same thing is happening to HH now and I agree - it isn't very protective. It's sort of the opposite, because as a runner, it's almost like you're expecting the defender to let up as well, which isn't likely to happen.
 
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Yeah, but that was 2011 TMart. Watch him as a 2010 freshman and he was fearless, ready to take however many yards a defense would give him. It's not that he sought contact, he just took it like a running back or receiver would. 

But by all appearances that changed in 2011. I think the coaches realized the team would tank with Brion Carnes at QB and instructed Taylor to go down in the open field, like most NFL QBs are trained to do. I don't think that came naturally to a playground baller like Martinez, and he seemed to get caught in poorly timed hook slides that actually left him more susceptible to strips and injuries. 

Haarberg has had that same tentative look the past couple games --- after being more decisive and successful running the ball earlier in the season. Maybe the coaches thought they were playing with free money when Haarberg stepped in, but suddenly realized they can't go back to the Jeff Sims option.

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
Haarberg has had that same tentative look the past couple games --- after being more decisive and successful running the ball earlier in the season. Maybe the coaches thought they were playing with free money when Haarberg stepped in, but suddenly realized they can't go back to the Jeff Sims option.
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There is also a pretty big difference in colliding with the average La Tech defender and an average B1G defender.  

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
But by all appearances that changed in 2011. I think the coaches realized the team would tank with Brion Carnes at QB and instructed Taylor to go down in the open field, like most NFL QBs are trained to do. I don't think that came naturally to a playground baller like Martinez, and he seemed to get caught in poorly timed hook slides that actually left him more susceptible to strips and injuries. 
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I'm not sure what caused it. If it isn't coaching, it's just plain bizarre that we have two different starting quarterbacks in two completely different eras of football who take the same hits. Especially when I don't see this happening with other quarterbacks.

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
Yeah, but that was 2011 TMart. Watch him as a 2010 freshman and he was fearless, ready to take however many yards a defense would give him. It's not that he sought contact, he just took it like a running back or receiver would. 

But by all appearances that changed in 2011. I think the coaches realized the team would tank with Brion Carnes at QB and instructed Taylor to go down in the open field, like most NFL QBs are trained to do. I don't think that came naturally to a playground baller like Martinez, and he seemed to get caught in poorly timed hook slides that actually left him more susceptible to strips and injuries. 

Haarberg has had that same tentative look the past couple games --- after being more decisive and successful running the ball earlier in the season. Maybe the coaches thought they were playing with free money when Haarberg stepped in, but suddenly realized they can't go back to the Jeff Sims option.
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I think the coaches (and the injury) broke Taylor. But broken Taylor was still fun to watch.

 
Enhance said:
100% agree. 

I remember watching TMart do that and it would just drive me up a wall, because he'd look like a stick in the mud and/or take a huge shot. Same thing is happening to HH now and I agree - it isn't very protective. It's sort of the opposite, because as a runner, it's almost like you're expecting the defender to let up as well, which isn't likely to happen.

What I'd like to see HH do on those plays is slide, dive, or just hit the turf.
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I still have memories of Taylor kinda slowing down into a crouch cradling the ball with both arms in his belly and then getting drilled.

 
knapplc said:
I'm not sure what caused it. If it isn't coaching, it's just plain bizarre that we have two different starting quarterbacks in two completely different eras of football who take the same hits. Especially when I don't see this happening with other quarterbacks.
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My speculation on Taylor was that after he got hurt the coaches told him he had to avoid taking so many hits so that's what he was trying to do.  But he could never get the timing right on when to give up on a run so it always looked awkward.

It is pretty bizarre that HH looks eerily similar lately trying to avoid taking a big hit.  It's like they've never had to do that before and they just can't bring themselves to get what they can then get on the ground.

 
Archy1221 said:
The second part answer is no.  I made judgment based on the video posted that you specifically asked me to make judgement on.    
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Which is exactly the point.  You can't seen any of the receivers to know what routes they are running, if they're open or not, and when the primary receiver gets to his break to know if he should throw the ball there or not.  So there's no way to say with any accuracy if he's locked on to the #1 receiver too long or not (not to mention the part about he could be looking at more than one receiver in the same general area).  

Again, there are times this happens.  He has force throws to Fidone before.  But there are also a lot of plays where he gets to a third or even a fourth receiver.  Another poster tried to claim he was trying to point to a play of an example of him staring down his #1 target too long when he was actually already on his second target and moving to his third.  People get something in their head and then they see it everywhere, whether it's actually there or not.

 
Mavric said:
My speculation on Taylor was that after he got hurt the coaches told him he had to avoid taking so many hits so that's what he was trying to do.  But he could never get the timing right on when to give up on a run so it always looked awkward.

It is pretty bizarre that HH looks eerily similar lately trying to avoid taking a big hit.  It's like they've never had to do that before and they just can't bring themselves to get what they can then get on the ground.
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It seems like to me he just has a bit of decision paralyzes at times just in general. He has so few starts that you would think he will improve, but every QB has a ceiling on that and its hard to know where it is. Some of it also could be that there just aren't lanes on his option plays and WRs just aren't open, but he def seems to take a while to just pull the trigger or run sometimes. I think a lot about that like PA boot or whatever it was where he got demolished by 4 or when he runs the option he just seems to almost stop at the point of decision.  Taylor did seem similar to me in that he just took a little while to make a decision some times but he had the benefit of having upper end of elite level acceleration and speed. Haarberg has some top end but his acceleration is not great. 

 
knapplc said:
I'm not sure what caused it. If it isn't coaching, it's just plain bizarre that we have two different starting quarterbacks in two completely different eras of football who take the same hits. Especially when I don't see this happening with other quarterbacks.
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I think Nebraska is a bit unusual in its willingness to elevate lightly recruited run-first dual-threat quarterbacks, who could get away with running wild in high school, but suddenly look vulnerable when asked to be the leading rusher against college defenses that have learned to scheme against them. So yeah, I think coaches get a little nervous, even when they're the ones calling the run-heavy gameplan, and ask their QBs to go against their instincts by self-tackling at the first sign of contact. 

More polished QBs would know when and how to hook slide. I wonder if they ever did in high school. 

Would the Taylor, Tommy and Haarberg types have a longer leash if we had better QBs as back ups?  Maybe. 

 
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