True2tRA

[BIGREDIOWAN]

We received a complaint reference True last night. I sent a PM to Tatum trying to find where he specifically called a moderator a name, but I haven't received a response yet. I found the following post in the gameday thread and want everyone's opinion.

Yeah, and that is where I find the coaches responsible and if you've read my comments on this board, you've seen it.

I get in these discussions here with stupid people and I find myself defending the coaches constantly with the on field stuff, but this accountability and personnel area of the team is one are I am baffled by the decisions.

I totally agree with your Charlie Strong reference and this catering to the athlete mentality needs to disappear here as well. These guys need an awakening, but how will they ever wake up if they don't feel like their position on the team is ever in jeapordy. I totally get it.

Then you have to put yourself in the shoes of the coach. If you're a coach, you're responsibility is to put the best product you can on the field. So if there is such a drastic drop off to that next level then you're in a tough spot. Do you allow the team as a whole to suffer and fail because you've put an even worse player in the game? I mean, we have to remember, these decisions affect everyone. Not just the player that doesn't seem to give a crap.

The whole team suffers.

I think we are indeed in a rebuild mode and I think there needs to be some cleansing of this program.

My opinion is this is openly trolling the board. He has a history of personal attacks and always takes the approach, "You don't agree with me?! Well f#*k you then!" His games are growing old to members and it may be time for him to go. He was close to having a personal attack on me in that same thread, but never specifically quoted me so he skirted that IMO. I don't think a PM will work with this guy so I'm not even going to try that route. Thoughts?

 

[NUance]

Yeah, but after a loss like this it seems like there's a ton of worse stuff posted on the board. All of Husker nation is upside down. For the time being maybe we should try to let people vent so long as they don't attack specific posters.

Then again, being a newb I defer to your experience, BRI.

 

[BIGREDIOWAN]

I wouldn't probably even say anything if he didn't have a history of being a jerk after yesterday's loss honestly.

 

[Thanks_Tom RR]

Sorry, BRI. I missed this thread. I already sent True a PM earlier this morning. We will see what he says. Here is my message to him.

I want to give you a heads up that you are receiving complaints about your confrontational nature on the board. From my perspective, you can be very civil, if spoken to with logic. Actually, I enjoyed our discussion in the game thread yesterday about how to establish a winning culture in Nebraska and who is responsible. Really that was the only enjoyable think about the game yesterday (Yeesh!). Still, you are also very willing to talk down to others when provoked (which honestly does not seem to take much). You can debate your point without having every post drip with sarcasm and deprecation. My suggestion is to be witty and sarcastic but tone it down, particularly the ridicule.

 

[Mavric]

I agree with BRI that he likes to mix it up. A lot of his posts could be trolling if you really wanted to get picky about it. He posts a lot of "FIRE RILEY" type stuff which is his way of responding to those who are actually calling for Riley to be fired even though he doesn't blame Riley for much of anything.

That being said, a general statement like that with everything going on yesterday just needs to be bypassed, imo.

I would guess the reference to calling a mod a name is to me in the game thread. The commentators had made a comment about Purdue losing some close games which I posted in the game thread without attributing it to the TV guys. True and another poster thought I was making fun of people saying Nebraska had lost a lot of close games so True posted Purdue's schedule, the other guy jumped in saying I was trolling and breaking board rules and True responded with "he does that sh#t all the time".

But again, considering the circumstances, I think we can let that go. Although I didn't see his interaction with you, BRI.

 

[Mavric]

Here's the exchange. The four quote limit cuts off my original post but it was "Purdue has been so close to winning. Just bad luck."

Purdue has been so close to winning. Just bad luck

Date Opponent Time/TV Tickets Sunday
Sep. 6 at Marshall Thundering Herd
Joan C. Edwards Stadium, Huntington, WV Lost 41-31 --- Saturday
Sep. 12

Indiana State Sycamores
Ross-Ade Stadium, West Lafayette, IN Won 38-14 --- Saturday
Sep. 19 Virginia Tech Hokies
Ross-Ade Stadium, West Lafayette, IN Lost 51-24 --- Saturday
Sep. 26 Bowling Green Falcons
Ross-Ade Stadium, West Lafayette, IN Lost 35-28 --- Saturday
Oct. 3 at Michigan State Spartans
Spartan Stadium, East Lansing, MI Lost 24-21 --- Saturday
Oct. 10 Minnesota Golden Gophers
Ross-Ade Stadium, West Lafayette, IN Lost 41-13 --- Saturday
Oct. 17 at Wisconsin Badgers
Camp Randall Stadium, Madison, WI Lost 24-7 ---

So we are watching tow single loss teams battling it out today?

I think he is just pointing out how a MOD is opening trolling folks and breaking a board rule. I could be wrong though.

Haha! Thankfully somebody else sees this guy do this sh#t all the time.

 

[Mavric]

I'm not going to lie, True and I have gone around for awhile now. We went back and forth on several things early in the year and then I was trying to avoid him for quite awhile. But now it's his personal mission to disprove anything I say. But he never has any facts to back up his position. It's always what he says is true (no pun intended). So a couple times I keep calling him out asking for his proof which never shows up. And that's probably what he considers me trolling him.

I should probably just stay away from him.

 

[Saunders]

I'm not going to lie, True and I have gone around for awhile now. We went back and forth on several things early in the year and then I was trying to avoid him for quite awhile. But now it's his personal mission to disprove anything I say. But he never has any facts to back up his position. It's always what he says is true (no pun intended). So a couple times I keep calling him out asking for his proof which never shows up. And that's probably what he considers me trolling him.

I should probably just stay away from him.

I'm in the same boat. He's just playing the logical fallacy slot machine lately as a way to defend the coaches, and it's just mind boggling. He's a good dude when he's got his head on straight, but he's flying off the handle so much to blame anyone but current coaches, it's crazy.

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

Ehh, I think--generally--the toxicity and instability of the board is going to reflect the instability of the team, and right now it's at an all-time high. Also, I think something to remember might be that wrong /= troll, especially so in this case because there really is no wrong answer, and he's even agreeing and openly stating there's an accountability issue on this team. It's a different perspective, but it's one that we should respect.

The "get into discussion with stupid people" probably wasn't the best thing to say, but again that's pretty reflective of the state of the program right now. I think what Thanks_Tom_RR did was probably good enough, and if he continues it, give him a little vacation.

 

[BIGREDIOWAN]

He responded to one of my posts, and I'm assuming here with the following examples. It just seems to me that he's getting his shots in and hoping no one notices.

Me:

Is it because Nate Gerry is so bad or is it because the scheme is so bad? Gerry was a stud in Bo's defense and a ball hawk. He's struggling in this worthless defense. Quite bagging on the kids so hard.

Him:

What is Nate Gerry doing? Seriously? What is he doing? How do you blame a coach for things like that? Haha, so ignorant.

I blame Riley, Langsdorf and Cavanaugh for the high snap and Fyfe not falling on it too. No way that's on any players making boneheaded mistakes.

We never see these same things either. This team never makes the same dumb mistakes over and over again.

Did that guy seriously just say Reilly is one of the most consistent WR's on this team? Holy crap.

He flew off the handle in that thread several times on the players and called them out for their play. He responded with several posts mocking people for saying the coaches were to blame for the loss.

Him:

Haha! There is no f'ing way Newby was taught to tackle eligible WR's. Not a chance.

Damn Banker!

He's pushing the limits IMO, we can see how he responds to the PM, if he's an a$$ in the PM well, I guess that gives us the answer and makes things easier. But look at how many mods have had run ins with this clown. At least three of us now, so that tells me that he's the problem, not any of us.

 

[Thanks_Tom RR]

Sorry, BRI. I missed this thread. I already sent True a PM earlier this morning. We will see what he says. Here is my message to him.

I want to give you a heads up that you are receiving complaints about your confrontational nature on the board. From my perspective, you can be very civil, if spoken to with logic. Actually, I enjoyed our discussion in the game thread yesterday about how to establish a winning culture in Nebraska and who is responsible. Really that was the only enjoyable think about the game yesterday (Yeesh!). Still, you are also very willing to talk down to others when provoked (which honestly does not seem to take much). You can debate your point without having every post drip with sarcasm and deprecation. My suggestion is to be witty and sarcastic but tone it down, particularly the ridicule.

Well, I am disappointed in True's response.

People are idiots. I tend to let them know. I'll do my best. If it doesn't work out, then it won't and I'll carry on. I have no issues with either direction. Thanks for the heads up.

I sent a follow up PM.

Okay, True. Honestly, that is disappointing to hear. I would not call the regular members and contributors on this board 'idiots'. Some may be less knowledge about football, coaching, Nebraska history, etc, but that is most likely a reason they are here (fans that want to learn).

You are a solid contributor to the board, knowledgable in football, and could be one of our top members, if you could rope it in. Many of your opinions are interesting and worth sharing, but your ego or personally is getting in the way. If your position is rooted in facts, share them as a way to educate other board members not to ridicule them for their lack of knowledge. If your are sharing your opinion, accept that others can, and often will, disagree, but this is no reason to chastise, troll, or belittle them.

Dust ups on the board are going to happen, but if you are constantly at the center of them, that is a good reason to reflect on how you are conducting yourself here.

TTRR

Hopefully, he will get the message, but I don't know.

 

[Thanks_Tom RR]

Well, I am still talking with True. He seems understanding, to a degree, but is also blind to the irony of some of his opinions.

There's a few here I like. They're not all idiots. There is certainly a trend in the wrong direction for this board though. If it continues, I can assure you this will not be a place people want to come for discussion anymore. Unless I'm wrong and people love to wallow in misery and hatred. That truly could prove to be the case. I've not been in the middle of any or many dust ups here recently that I can remember. If my defense of Husker football and not firing coaches like a damn carousel is creating issues, it's only because I don't simply "go along to get along". And I won't. It's not in my nature. That won't be changing.

If I'm being insulting in some way, let me know of the particular instances so I can refrain from using those words. Aside from that, I think I generally treat people the way they treat me here. I'm actually extremely polite and positive to anybody that seems to actually want to learn or discuss the possibilities in Nebraska's situation. The people who seem uninterested in any discussion about it tend to come here, repeat the same few points over and over, and they tend to do it in a disrespectful way. They usually don't allow for any "wiggle room" on their stance, and they make that clear. They are here to let us know that we all suck and everyone should be fired.

Good for them.

I also believe that as much as these people swear they just want to "let it Bo" they tend to bring him into the conversation quite a bit themselves. Thats an easy button for people to push and stir controversy, and it probably always will be. Like I said, it seems to be the direction of this board. A lot of button pushing.

I would be willing to bet that even if a change is made, these same people will never be happy and will carry on to complaining about something or somebody else. Just give it time. It's a sad way to live life and I think it's making this a sad place to come.

I will do my best I assure you. That may even mean not contributing as much, but there isn't much that can be said anyway aside from the "fire everybody" narrative that I'm just not gonna get involved in right now. If you feel the need to ban my account because I'm not telling you what you want to hear, then proceed in that direction. I'm too old and set in my ways to be censoring every thing I say with kiddy gloves. Especially when I don't feel the "Golden Rule" is being applied in how I'm being talked to either.

You have a great Sunday and take care.

 

[Thanks_Tom RR]

Okay, it seems that things are sinking in for True. Here are parts of our conversation.

To be sure, I am not campaigning to see you banned, and I want you to know that is not my desired end-game here. What I advocate is that you take advantage of other avenues in some of these situations. Two alternatives to unproductive debate (and let's be honest, discussion with an agenda-driven poster is just that) are to (1) report the offending post or (2) ignore the post by blocking the poster or hiding their threads. You don't have to be everyone's Huckleberry. Let me or one of the other mods handle the situations that are not worth your time.

Huckleberry. Haha! You couldn't have said it better. That's exactly where I put myself every time. I am getting a bit worn out of trying to debate with each and every one of these people. I may just have to get a bit more liberal with my use of the ignore function.

 

[Mavric]

Yeah, specifically calling you ignorant would be a personal attack in my book.