Trump Legal Troubles

So  Jack Smith is out the door.   J6 investigation closing down shop.  

The calls are starting to come in for Biden to pardon the Felon.  OPED from the conservative National Review is copied in part below.  Of course they will promote the idea of a pardon. 

The OPED says Biden should follow Gerald Ford's lead for the benefit of the country.    To those who think Trump is getting away with it, the writer expects Trump to get into more trouble/controversies - so he should/could be held responsible for those in the future.(see last sentence in quote below).  Poor excuse for a pardon today.  Sounds like Wimpy telling Popeye - "I'll pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today."   And we know, Tuesday never comes. 

1.  Some questions I have:  Did DOJ act too slowly?   Should they have initiated the case against Trump as soon as Biden became president?

Personally - I think so.  While the gears of justice turn slowly, I never understood why it took as long as it did for Trump to be indited.  It seems like they wanted the timing to hit just before the 2024 election.  But when you factor in all of the appeals by Trump lawyers to a friendly SCOTUS, the timing didn't work.  

2. Now that Trump has rode out the time until his election, should Biden pardon him and end this whole chapter?

Obviously, the DOJ can't do anything now, but personally, I would like the threat to remain whereby a future Dem President could initiate the investigation again if there isn't a time limit on when charges could be filed - with the hope that the threat would moderate (if that is even possible) Trump's actions.  A pardon to me is like a chapter 11 bankruptcy which Trump uses for his advantage while hurting others. In a pardon, Trump has found another way to screw the system and get by with his misdeeds.   Of course, that ignores the other possible situation: Trump proclaims a 'self-pardon' which would then be supported by his favorable SCOTUS.  

It is deeply unsettling to me that Trump was/is able to use the election to evade real consequences to his illegal actions.  It is unsettling that in a country where felons cannot vote for president, a convicted felon can win the presidency.  It is even more unsettling that there are enough, a majority of voters who turn a blind eye to these facts.   The conscience of America has become severed.  

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/biden-should-pardon-trump/

Biden should then move to use his constitutional authority to pardon Donald Trump of all pending federal charges, and relieve special counsel Jack Smith of his duties. He should then ask New York governor Kathy Hochul to use her authority to pardon Trump for the crimes he was convicted of in New York State.

He should do this not because Trump is entirely blameless for the circumstances surrounding the indictments that have been leveled against him — he’s not blameless, most especially in the Mar-a-Lago classified-documents case, where the publicly available evidence shows that Trump was, at minimum, negligent and, at maximum, absolutely complicit in ignoring the statutes governing the handling of classified information and, possibly, those concerning the obstruction of justice. The constellation of charges surrounding Trump’s actions on and before January 6, 2021, are more opaque, not because Trump’s actions were not mendacious, self-serving, and contemptible, but because I’m not certain that Trump’s plan crossed the line from low politics and clearly impeachable conduct to criminal behavior, though my mind is open on that question. (The Stormy Daniels hush-money prosecution in New York was clearly bogus, turning an embarrassing situation that should have been handled administratively or as a misdemeanor into a criminal proceeding.)

But regardless of Trump’s fault in any of the above, I can’t see how the 2024 election wasn’t a definitive verdict on the subject delivered by the highest authority: the people.

Wise or not, a majority of the public chose to reelect Donald Trump as the next president of the United States. He deserves to enter that term in January 2025 with the slate wiped clean of the controversies of the previous era.

No good at all will come of an American president fulfilling his constitutional duties at home and abroad under the cloud of pending criminal prosecutions. No good whatsoever will come of Trump himself ordering the Justice Department to drop the charges or by crossing the Rubicon in American life of “self-pardoning.”

Joe Biden has not often spent his time in office acting much like a statesman. But a pardon now of Donald Trump would be statesmanlike. And such an act would go a long way toward ending the cycle of lawfare that, if left unchecked, will cause more harm and more damage to the body politic. Gerald Ford’s pardon of Richard Nixon is the precedent here, and it’s a good one. Ford’s Presidential Proclamation 4311, delivered in September 1974, was politically unpopular at the time. It enraged Nixon’s enemies. But it was the right thing to do. Ford’s pardon put a bandage on a festering national wound and closed the door on a regrettable era in our politics.

Donald Trump should accept such a pardon, if offered by Joe Biden. Trump should then find a way to, at least rhetorically, extend an olive branch to the outgoing president.

I’m not naïve enough to think that partisan rancor will not be a major factor in our national life in the next weeks and months and years. But a newly elected president deserves a fresh start and a grown up, gracious, and honorable approach to the peaceful transfer of power. Trump didn’t give his predecessor that courtesy the last time around of course. That’s no reason, however, that Biden ought not rise above revenge to the level of the statesman.

For anyone caught up in the idea that such a move by Biden would “let Trump off the hook” for one Trump controversy after another, there’s no need to worry. There will be other controversies. I promise.
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TGHusker said:
So  Jack Smith is out the door.   J6 investigation closing down shop.  

The calls are starting to come in for Biden to pardon the Felon.  OPED from the conservative National Review is copied in part below.  Of course they will promote the idea of a pardon. 

The OPED says Biden should follow Gerald Ford's lead for the benefit of the country.    To those who think Trump is getting away with it, the writer expects Trump to get into more trouble/controversies - so he should/could be held responsible for those in the future.(see last sentence in quote below).  Poor excuse for a pardon today.  Sounds like Wimpy telling Popeye - "I'll pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today."   And we know, Tuesday never comes. 

1.  Some questions I have:  Did DOJ act too slowly?   Should they have initiated the case against Trump as soon as Biden became president?

Personally - I think so.  While the gears of justice turn slowly, I never understood why it took as long as it did for Trump to be indited.  It seems like they wanted the timing to hit just before the 2024 election.  But when you factor in all of the appeals by Trump lawyers to a friendly SCOTUS, the timing didn't work.  

2. Now that Trump has rode out the time until his election, should Biden pardon him and end this whole chapter?

Obviously, the DOJ can't do anything now, but personally, I would like the threat to remain whereby a future Dem President could initiate the investigation again if there isn't a time limit on when charges could be filed - with the hope that the threat would moderate (if that is even possible) Trump's actions.  A pardon to me is like a chapter 11 bankruptcy which Trump uses for his advantage while hurting others. In a pardon, Trump has found another way to screw the system and get by with his misdeeds.   Of course, that ignores the other possible situation: Trump proclaims a 'self-pardon' which would then be supported by his favorable SCOTUS.  

It is deeply unsettling to me that Trump was/is able to use the election to evade real consequences to his illegal actions.  It is unsettling that in a country where felons cannot vote for president, a convicted felon can win the presidency.  It is even more unsettling that there are enough, a majority of voters who turn a blind eye to these facts.   The conscience of America has become severed.  

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/biden-should-pardon-trump/
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I feel bad for JB now.  The media protected him (Like I said they would) for so long and then just turned on him.  Now they are turning on him even more and no matter what he does here, they will take another bite out of him.  

 
TGHusker said:
Pretty much agree.   I see only a clean slate ahead and Trump will continue to get away with whatever he wants.  
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Hopefully the judge in his criminal case doesn’t dismiss the case and just delays the sentence if that’s possible.    This case needs to have the appeals court finish and rule.  

 
Someone said yesterday, I think it was @knapplc, something to the effect of "The best way to avoid prosecution is to get elected president"   Well that has worked swimmingly well for the Felon in Chief.   As Jack Smith cries uncle and closes down the case.  

So now we have the rouge president, enpowered by 'getting away with it again, with the golden immunity ruling of the SCOTUS in hand, with no checkmates in his administration - just yes men/women, and with both houses of Congress backing him up - yeah nothing could go wrong here.   The authoritarian king is established. 

The Quilty Goes Unpunished

Sen.-elect Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) called special counsel Jack Smith’s decision to dismiss President-elect Trump’s election subversion and classified documents cases a “serious mistake.”

“I think this is a serious mistake by the department,” Schiff told MSNBC’s Jen Psaki, saying that while Smith sought to dismiss the cases without prejudice — meaning they can be brought against Trump once his term is over — it now means that the “status quo” is to not bring any charges against the president.

“But it is nevertheless a very serious distinction, because the status quo now is no charges against the president,” Schiff, who served on the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, continued. “You would have to upset that status quo to later bring charges again, as opposed to merely postponing the proceedings, in which case the presumption is they continue when he leaves office.”

Schiff’s remarks come as Smith announced Monday that he sought dismissal of the two federal cases against Trump on the longstanding view that a sitting president cannot be criminally prosecuted while in office. The decision follows a Supreme Court ruling earlier this year that determined core presidential powers are immune from prosecution.

Schiff added that the “mistake” by Smith’s team to pull the plug on the cases is compounded by a host of other concerns.

“It compounds the mistake that you alluded to, which is they waited a year before they even brought this case forward or began the investigation,” the California Democrat told Psaki, President Biden’s former press secretary. “And then you have the Supreme Court with this immunity decision.”

“And now you have a potential nominee in Pam Bondi, who is saying she’s going to prosecute the prosecutors,” he continued, adding that “all of that goes against what Jack Smith said in his brief motion, which is that no one’s above the law. So, we’re hearing that phrase a lot, but we’re not giving validity to it by these actions.”
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trump is now the chief justice of the united states.   the law is what he says it is.   if he says he is innocent then by god he is innocent.  if he says biden is eating carts and dogs then by god old joe is eating cats and dogs.

 
Yep. I remember when my liberal friends were salivating about Donald Trump finally getting his orange jump suit and felony mug shot. 

As if that was going to close the door on Donald Trump's political future.

I saw that mug shot getting plastered on Made In China swag and being sold to his supporters as a badge of honor. 

God I'm sick of being right! 

 
It just never ceases.  Trump Sneakers, Trump trading cards, Trump Bible, now Trump Guitar.    And now Trump's company has received a cease and desist order from Gibson guitars.  I guess 16 Creative, owner of Trump Guitars, was creative enough and is ripping off one of Gibson's designs.  

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gibson-hits-trump-guitars-with-cease-and-desist-order/ar-AA1uNoRc?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=2ee8e7371c8543a1bf0e20cd0be68ad1&ei=19

Trump Guitars, the company behind a line of Donald Trump-endorsed acoustic and electric instruments, has been issued a cease and desist order from Gibson, the famous 130-year-old guitar manufacturer.

Gibson alleges that the guitars promoted by the president-elect infringe upon its intellectual property rights. In particular, Gibson cites the similarity of the guitars to its own famous Les Paul model. Trump Guitars is owned by an entity called 16 Creative.

“We can confirm a cease and desist has been issued against 16 Creative as the design infringes upon Gibson’s exclusive trademarks, particularly the iconic Les Paul body shape,” reads a statement from Gibson seen by HuffPost.

The story was first reported by Guitar World.

Last week, Trump publicly put his name behind the products.

The line includes both electric and acoustic guitars, and prices range from $1,500 for a basic electric to $10,000 for an “American Eagle” guitar autographed by Trump himself.
The website of Trump Guitars states: “These beautiful guitars feature the iconic phrase ‘Make America Great Again’ inlaid in authentic pearl up the neck of the guitar and the number 45 on the headstock signifying President Donald J. Trump’s historic term as president.”

The site notes that the guitars are produced by “multiple providers, and include parts/features that are both domestic and international,” suggesting they are not entirely manufactured in the U.S.
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