Was Martinez playing hurt at Minnesota?

I would be surprised if 3/4 of collegiate football players are not dealing with some form of injury at this stage in the season.  The game is violent and takes a toll on a player's physique.

That said, the mere mention of this at this stage in the season seems to be rationalization.  While results are not directly correlated, injury Q&A following a poor performance suggests that one is somehow related to the other.  In other words, if we only had a healthy QB, the game result would have been different.

Let's not fall into that trap...

 
BaytownHusker said:
Does anyone know exactly what was hurt when he took the Jaw shot during the MSU game.  I could be way off but I feel like he has a Broke or some what fractured jaw. If you notice and i have watched every play almost since he came back. He barley speaks or calls out stuff on the field. If you notice he has some type of wire or stick looking thing in mouth on the one side. 

Anyone know?
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That's just Skoal.  It's a pretty big plug.  He's alright ;)

 
BaytownHusker said:
Does anyone know exactly what was hurt when he took the Jaw shot during the MSU game.  I could be way off but I feel like he has a Broke or some what fractured jaw. If you notice and i have watched every play almost since he came back. He barley speaks or calls out stuff on the field. If you notice he has some type of wire or stick looking thing in mouth on the one side. 

Anyone know?
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he's done plenty of post game and weekly pressers...  no way he's hiding a broken or fractured jaw..

 
Born N Bled Red said:
How about saying the oline, receiver and running back rooms all have deficiencies that outweigh, but magnify Martinez's deficiencies. How many of his interceptions were balls that receivers got hands on but didn't catch? How many touchdowns did Warner drop alone? How many other incompletions were balls that may not have been perfect, but better receivers could have made a play on. Do slow receivers that can't create separation have something to do with why Martinez holds the ball so long sometimes? 

Does constant pressure prevent a qb from being comfortable in the pocket? Make him rush through his reads, unload the ball quickly without proper form to avoid a sack? 

Do running backs that can't pass block compound or detract from a poor offensive line? Does a running back that gets 2 yards, runs into the back of the offensive lineman and falls down leaving the offense behind the sticks make it easier for a defense to tee off on the quarterback? 

Those of us who say Martinez isn't the problem can see this impacting his game. A single player can't rise above his supporting cast on every single play. Especially when opposing teams know he is our best weapon.

Martinez isn't perfect, but his deficiencies are amplified and magnified by the cast around him. That is what we mean when we say he is the least of our problems. Unfortunately, these problems will not be resolved by replacing the quarterback. We're lucky to have the one we got.
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Well said.  

 
BaytownHusker said:
Does anyone know exactly what was hurt when he took the Jaw shot during the MSU game.  I could be way off but I feel like he has a Broke or some what fractured jaw. If you notice and i have watched every play almost since he came back. He barley speaks or calls out stuff on the field. If you notice he has some type of wire or stick looking thing in mouth on the one side. 

Anyone know?
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Radio speculation before the Michigan game suggested something was definitely wrong.(what do they know). I saw him with his helmet on the sidelines of the Minnie game and thought he looked fine ( what do I know). 
 

he does have a significant underbite. Might affect his jaw action. 

 
Husker03 said:
I've spoken in other threads about how that time frame isn't as realistic nor as easy as many like to make it. 
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At the end of this year we are likely 4-8 or 3-9. So in 4 seasons frost will have 15-16 wins. Riley got 19 in 3 years. What is so difficult to average more than 4 wins per year? 

 
Huskers93-97 said:
At the end of this year we are likely 4-8 or 3-9. So in 4 seasons frost will have 15-16 wins. Riley got 19 in 3 years. What is so difficult to average more than 4 wins per year? 
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And the program when Frost took over was in the exact same place when Riley took over. (Sarcasm)

I’m not sure why that keeps getting left out of the discussion. but I know. You’ve already made up your mind so continue on with the fire frost flame war….
 

 
BaytownHusker said:
Does anyone know exactly what was hurt when he took the Jaw shot during the MSU game.  I could be way off but I feel like he has a Broke or some what fractured jaw. If you notice and i have watched every play almost since he came back. He barley speaks or calls out stuff on the field. If you notice he has some type of wire or stick looking thing in mouth on the one side. 

Anyone know?
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He's not playing with a broken jaw, but getting hit with a helmet to the jaw hurts like a mother f#&%er. From experience it felt like somebody took a hammer and hit me in the face (but that was without the padded chin strap). You'll be fine if nothing is broken, maybe some loose teeth and it will definitely be tinder for a few weeks, but it's not unreasonable to get and X-ray after the kind of shot he took. There's no way anyone is clearing him to play with a broken or fractured jaw.

I'm guessing he's got a bum ankle because he didn't take a lot of hits running against Michigan, but he did have two low blows. A no call below the knees hit on a pass in the first half and the one on the fumble. Plus he took the cheap shot out of bounds against Michigan State, where he kind of got rolled on.

 
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Huskers93-97 said:
At the end of this year we are likely 4-8 or 3-9. So in 4 seasons frost will have 15-16 wins. Riley got 19 in 3 years. What is so difficult to average more than 4 wins per year? 
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I think it just depends a bit on if you buy that he wanted to take the long road and do a tear down and complete rebuild to continue to try to patch together with the parts he had. He said he wanted a tear down and rebuild to get it right. He was given 7 years to do that. He tore it down, for sure. He didn't play guys that thought they were bigger than the program, he didn't play guys that handled themselves poorly off the field, he didn't play guys that weren't putting in the work in training and practice, etc.   Some of them got their heads right and worked harder. Some of them bolted. But it left an already pretty bare cupboard now really bare, no doubt about it.  He tore it down, and I believe the product on the field looks like he's building it back up.  Most of the guys that bolted didn't get their heads right anywhere else which lends a bit of credibility to Scott's side of things.  I think if you really look, outside of the wins and losses, at what has taken place over 3 years, you have to be pretty proud of it. A lot of people getting bent out of shape over records but I really think that, going 6-4 or 7-5 isn't all that different from going 5-7 in the grand scheme of things. Either way you don't have a football team that is really competing for anything other than a participation trophy.  What we really want is to be 11-1.  So who cares if Riley's record was better, or Bo's, or even Billy C's. Even with better records we still were a joke. We don't feel like a joke this year for the first time in 10-15 years. If we can build on where we are currently at, we can start moving the win number in my opinion, and then hopefully the doubters will come on over.

 
Husker03 said:
A lot of people getting bent out of shape over records but I really think that, going 6-4 or 7-5 isn't all that different from going 5-7 in the grand scheme of things. Either way you don't have a football team that is really competing for anything other than a participation trophy. 
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And here is where you fell off the tracks for me.  Going 6-4 or 7-5 means bowl eligibility.  That means more practices and reps for your kids and their development(I guess that is what some believe this staff is doing now).  In the moment, yes participation trophey record wise.  BUT in the long run and grand scheme of things, invaluable time missed out on cause getting 6 wins is too much of a hill to climb these days

 
PaulCrewe said:
And here is where you fell off the tracks for me.  Going 6-4 or 7-5 means bowl eligibility.  That means more practices and reps for your kids and their development(I guess that is what some believe this staff is doing now).  In the moment, yes participation trophey record wise.  BUT in the long run and grand scheme of things, invaluable time missed out on cause getting 6 wins is too much of a hill to climb these days
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I’ve heard this sentiment for 20 some years and I’m just not sure it’s near as significant as our fan base makes it out to be. 10 practices 6 months prior to spring practices are not the end all be all we make them out to be. It’s just mud we sling around when we are grumpy and bored in early December. 

 
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