Weird Time for Christians

If God is choosing these dips#!ts, he is failing. If he wants us to follow them, he needs to start doing a much better job on his end.

I’m not the most Bible studied person but I only recall one place where this issue is addressed (I’m sure there are prob more). The well known render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar’s and unto God what is God’s. Basically pay your taxes, follow the law of the land type stuff. Pretty general and basic if you ask me. Please point me to where it says he is choosing these dips#!ts or where it says to follow them. Seriously, I’m curious because a whole s#!tload of evangelicals seem to think this is the prime directive of Christianity and it just isn’t.

 
Bottom line for me.  Christianity is the same as Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.  They are all man made religions that can be very valuable at creating a framework of morals to live by.  They can also make people say and do some crazy stuff.

I'm not denying that there isn't a higher meaning in life or something pulling the strings, but I have a very hard time believing any specific religious groups knows exactly what/who that is.  So it's frustrating when any people from any of the groups mentioned feel they should involve their beliefs in anyone else's life.

 
Archy1221 said:
God doesn’t choose any of those leaders.  The greatest gift he gives the people of the Earth is the free will to choose a path.   The people chose those leaders.  
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I'd agree with that.  That's why I question when people say God chose Biden and others along with Trump.

I don't think God chose any of them either.

 
Archy1221 said:
God doesn’t choose any of those leaders.  The greatest gift he gives the people of the Earth is the free will to choose a path.   The people chose those leaders.  
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I would be willing to sacrifice that "gift" and let God choose the folks who would actually make this an Earthly heaven.

At one time we could claim democracies allowed free will and majority rule as opposed governments that offered little to no choice. But it's pretty clear that consolidation of power is preventing free will all over the place. Somewhere at this very moment, a person has chosen a righteous path and someone else just shot them in the head. 

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
I would be willing to sacrifice that "gift" and let God choose the folks who would actually make this an Earthly heaven.

At one time we could claim democracies allowed free will and majority rule as opposed governments that offered little to no choice. But it's pretty clear that consolidation of power is preventing free will all over the place. Somewhere at this very moment, a person has chosen a righteous path and someone else just shot them in the head. 
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I know right.

Wasn't "free will" actually a punishment for eating the apple?  (or is free will why Eve ate the apple?  If so, God is a d!(k!) Along with free will, we got murder and cancer and war and famine and drought and....

What a gift!

 
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funhusker said:
Wasn't "free will" actually a punishment for eating the apple?  (or is free will why Eve ate the apple?  If so, God is a d!(k!) Along with free will, we got murder and cancer and war and famine and drought and....
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The forbidden fruit story is best understood as a fable exploring the problem or the burden of consciousness and what to do about it. 

Before becoming conscious, there's no such thing as good/bad/right/wrong, and creatures only exist in harmony with the planet around them in the way they're meant to.

 
Lorewarn said:
The forbidden fruit story is best understood as a fable exploring the problem or the burden of consciousness and what to do about it. 

Before becoming conscious, there's no such thing as good/bad/right/wrong, and creatures only exist in harmony with the planet around them in the way they're meant to.
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Pretty much the entirety of Genesis should be looked at through this lens.

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
I would be willing to sacrifice that "gift" and let God choose the folks who would actually make this an Earthly heaven.

At one time we could claim democracies allowed free will and majority rule as opposed governments that offered little to no choice. But it's pretty clear that consolidation of power is preventing free will all over the place. Somewhere at this very moment, a person has chosen a righteous path and someone else just shot them in the head. 
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Meh, there would be absolutely no purpose without free will. We all would just be pre-programmed robots. I get that what so many choose to do with that free will sucks and makes things miserable for a whole bunch of people but life would just be a perfect petri dish without it. It would prove nothing and serve no purpose.

Now I’d be okay if God stepped in  and prevented some (a lot) of the associated misery and hardship but I don’t pretend to understand how that could actually work. I have a hard enough time trying to understand how the way things are make any sense.

Not to get off on a tangent but the thing that is hardest to accept/understand is that we’re supposed to give credit/glory to God for all the good things that happen, treat those like answered prayers, but the bad things, well they’re the result of men and their free will. I’ve grown to call BS on that. He either is responsible for all the good and the bad or he isn’t. After considering all the s#!t that happens in this world, I’m leaning towards he isn’t involved in our day to day affairs at all.

 
JJ Husker said:
Now I’d be okay if God stepped in  and prevented some (a lot) of the associated misery and hardship but I don’t pretend to understand how that could actually work
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This, essentially, is heaven. It's what happens after the whole "free will" earthly experience is done, you've made your choice and your reward is eternity in paradise.

So, essentially, all this life is is a chance to eff up your chance at heaven. Where you could be right now, if god wanted. No chance to "free will" your way out of paradise, or into a fiery cauldron of hell.

Pretty weird way for a loving father to filter out his beloved children.

 
JJ Husker said:
Meh, there would be absolutely no purpose without free will. We all would just be pre-programmed robots. I get that what so many choose to do with that free will sucks and makes things miserable for a whole bunch of people but life would just be a perfect petri dish without it. It would prove nothing and serve no purpose.
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I'm just saying I'm willing to give up free elections and let God choose leaders that He knows for a fact aren't a$$h@!es. 

No campaigns. No campaign financing. No campaign commercials. Just a bright white light and there he/she is: our new leader. 

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
I'm just saying I'm willing to give up free elections and let God choose leaders that He knows for a fact aren't a$$h@!es. 

No campaigns. No campaign financing. No campaign commercials. Just a bright white light and there he/she is: our new leader. 
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I’m down with that for sure. Heck they could even still be slight a$$h@!es if we don’t have to suffer election cycles anymore. 

 
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