Were we better last year?

I hate to say it but yes I do think this team was better last year which is hard to say.  Illinois had a lead on Penn State in the 3rd quarter yesterday and should beat us.  I honestly don't see any games this team will win outside of perhaps the Bethune Cookman game.  

 
Yes of course we were better last year. But you have a new staff coming in making culture changes.

The start of this season has sucked big time, but I think how miserable I would be if Riley was the coach of this team this season and we had this type of start. 

 
I think the more appropriate question to ask is whether we were better in Riley's first season than we are in Frost's first season (or any other NU coach's first season).  

 
Frost pretty much took over an 0-12 team for the second time.  He literally said it may get worse before it gets better before the season.  To me that was him subtlety saying this team sucks and he knows it.  Three years of piss poor coaching and recruiting does not go away over night.  

 
BoNeyard said:
Yes of course we were better last year. But you have a new staff coming in making culture changes.

The start of this season has sucked big time, but I think how miserable I would be if Riley was the coach of this team this season and we had this type of start. 
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True, there was a coaching change, and I think that in the long run we will likely be better off because of it, but I am honestly surprised in how poorly we are playing. Is it a case where we overachieved last year and are underachieving now, or did we lose key personnel and haven't developed the new guys yet, or is it something else? It seems like the program is under a pretty dark cloud right now.

 
No - we’re not worse. How do you guys forget Minnesota and Iowa just running roughshed all over us?

Michigan from a talent level is just heads and shoulders above either of those teams and obviously us. 

One season in the weight room isn’t going to fix everything. 

I will admit; I’m surprised how bad we look on offense with Martinez. Where are the vertical routes? Either way: going to be a long year. We may only win 1-2 games. Crazy to think about that. 

 
Martinez looks bad because the offensive line is terrible. Add in Michigan has monsters on their D-Line and speeding LB's and put that up against our O-Line and it is a miracle Martinez is able to any sort of step back drop.

 
We lost to Northern Illinois who finished 2nd in the MAC last year. Blown out by Minnesota. Our wins were more of a fluke than the blow out loses. We're not worse, but we're as bad. There's a lot of quit left in this team. 

 
BoNeyard said:
Yes of course we were better last year. But you have a new staff coming in making culture changes. 
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Just so I understand - we're gonna use the same defense that we used for Mike Riley's first year, and we're comfortable with it being a good justification? 

RedSavage said:
Frost pretty much took over an 0-12 team for the second time. 
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No he didn't.

RedSavage said:
He literally said it may get worse before it gets better before the season.
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No, he said that last week. Some things he DID say before the season were, "This isn't a rebuilding year", and "this isn't year zero". He did say some other things to temper expectations, but he very clearly made a bad assessment in where we were. 

 
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