What Did We Learn? Michigan

Whistlepig said:
I learned the Irish have a pretty good offense because Michigan's defense is good and fast- I also learned that Michigan likes to use a lead blocker, weakside runs with pulling guards and centers, which absolutely confused and blew up our front 7
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See, this is puzzling to me. As a Bay Area resident and 49ers fan, Harbaugh did this here, he did the same thing at Stanford and he’s now doing this at Michigan. This wasn’t a surprise to me at all and I’m baffled as to why it was surprise to this team and our fans. 

Look up any highlights of Stanford or niners from 2012-2014 and you’ll see so many creative runs where the right guard pulls to the left or vice versa. 3 TE looks; a HB reverse where a LG pulls right but TE on left goes left and RB gets to pick the hole to run thru.

the truth of the matter is recruiting has been inept for years. Padded by wide receivers who aren’t that great but receive high ratings because of the schools they went to. Our o line is a sad excuse for a power 5 D1 school and it’s now coming to light.

whens the last time we placed an o linemen in the nfl from the draft, 2012?  U can’t win the trenches you’re not winning against a respectable Big 10 progrum and that was on full display today

 
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MountainMan said:
We need to be in the top 15 at minimum. 

For all the comparisons to Frost and Saban, Saban at least understands that you need a top recruiting class.  Frost needs to stop giving lip service to the walk ons and late bloomers crowd and recruit Adrian Martinez level talent across the board. 

Id start with the o line first 
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We out recruit Wisconsin rankingwise yet they are consistently in the Big Ten title picture.  I'd settle for that.

 
I learned that I can wonder if a Nebraska football team will win 1 game.

I really hope I don't have to wonder that a week from now.


I probably should've learned that last week, it's just, I didn't think we'd be trounced. I merely thought we'd lose.

 
dvdcrr said:
Maybe its a good thing we did not play Akron after all...
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I completely agree with you. If we played Akron, they would have beat us for sure. Having seen them play against northwestern, and seeing us today, Akron would have beat us worse than Troy. We would be 0-4 now. We do not have any legit players to build a program around. Frost has inherited a bunch of players with horrible attitude who have become numb to losing. In fact, losing does not even faze them at this point. They will joke on the sideline as if they are world beaters.

 
krc1995 said:
Gage County said:
krc1995 said:
frostie has zero Big 10 experience. Hope he’s ready to adapt 
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Well, except for this game

http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/400869510

and these games

http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/400547953

http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/400547953

http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/400610325

http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/320022483

http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/292552483

http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/300012483
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As a head coach dude. And as a conference opponent. But good effort dude
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Uhm, that's not what you said you and Frost most certainly was head coach at UCF when they played Michigan two years go. Pretty poor effort dude.

 
I learned my modest season goal of not stinking it up on the field and embarrassing ourselves on national tv was too much to ask out of this team.  I didn't care about about getting blown out but when they play uninspired, passionless and flat out give up that impacts recruiting.  No recruit wants to step into a locker room like that unless they also have the same attitude.  No matter how highly you thought of the coach these kind of performances have to put a certain amount of doubt in a recruit's mind.  Every game these guys play is tarnishing all of the COY awards Frost accumulated.  If we could at least get through this season with the players looking like they gave a damn then maybe we could get some recruits with the right attitude and ability to rebuild this thing.  The current players are making Frost's task more difficult than it should be.  I'd rather Frost finish out the season with players that are hungry to compete even if less talented.

 
I learned that when a person is under stress they will revert to old habits both bad and good. This team just reverts to bad. When these guys make mistakes or get behind they revert to what they learned for 3 years before this. Before the interception the offense looked serviceable. As soon as we got behind and had a turnover the offense looked like they completely forgot how to run the plays. When things get tough, instead of focusing on what they've leaned this year they revert to old habits. For a lot of these guys those old habits where built during three years with a bad coach. Frost is going to need a few years to build new habits so when the team is stressed they fall back on the proper execution. 

 
4skers89 said:
I learned my modest season goal of not stinking it up on the field and embarrassing ourselves on national tv was too much to ask out of this team.  I didn't care about about getting blown out but when they play uninspired, passionless and flat out give up that impacts recruiting.  No recruit wants to step into a locker room like that unless they also have the same attitude.  No matter how highly you thought of the coach these kind of performances have to put a certain amount of doubt in a recruit's mind.  Every game these guys play is tarnishing all of the COY awards Frost accumulated.  If we could at least get through this season with the players looking like they gave a damn then maybe we could get some recruits with the right attitude and ability to rebuild this thing.  The current players are making Frost's task more difficult than it should be.  I'd rather Frost finish out the season with players that are hungry to compete even if less talented.
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So what’s your actual take here? You seem to casually throw some shade at frost and staff and then the players and then somewhat reconcile towards frost again. Not trying to call you out but you’re literally playing straw man on multiple sides here

 
This year is going to be rough. I don't care about a bowl game I just want to see some improvement from here on out. A win next week would be a big step in the right direction. 

 
krc1995 said:
frostie has zero Big 10 experience. Hope he’s ready to adapt 
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Same thing happened to Bo. Bo went in with a defensive scheme geared to the Big XII (and did a pretty good job IMHO). He went into the B1G saying they'd have to adjust to us....Sometimes they did...in how tired their RB's got running for endless yards.....For the most part, he under estimated or was too stubborn to try and adjust.

Riley was too soft and not a winner. He got stomped by every team with a pulse an some without.  A complete inability to adapt to the physicality (Iowa's practices must be a blood bath)....

I'm not saying change scheme, but saw a post of a goal line stance by NU today.  Michigan was in a bunch heavy formation with no wideouts.  Bootle was still in and on the LOS over a TE.  The rushed right over the top of us. When asked in the presser about personnel match ups on D, Frost said Chinander makes the D calls.  This is a schematic issue that needs to change.  Bring in extra DL or LB's, but don't cover a TE at the LOS with a CB......This is what I hope he learns or adjusts.  You are going to have to bang with these guys week in and week out......Sometimes you can finesse and create mismatches, but sometimes you have to be able to hulk smash and be the hammer meeting the nail.

 
gossamorharpy said:
So what’s your actual take here? You seem to casually throw some shade at frost and staff and then the players and then somewhat reconcile towards frost again. Not trying to call you out but you’re literally playing straw man on multiple sides here
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I did not intend to throw shade on Frost.  What makes you think that?  I thought I was pretty clear that the current players effort and attitude is making us look bad and could impact recruiting.  Frost has proven to be a good coach.  The players have shown that they give up in big games and continue to do that this season.  The only thing I wanted out of this season was to look somewhat competent on the field and not drive away recruits.

 
4skers89 said:
I did not intend to throw shade on Frost.  What makes you think that?  I thought I was pretty clear that the current players effort and attitude is making us look bad and could impact recruiting.  Frost has proven to be a good coach.  The players have shown that they give up in big games and continue to do that this season.  The only thing I wanted out of this season was to look somewhat competent on the field and not drive away recruits.
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I must have misinterpreted your lines of “no matter how highly you thought of frost it casts doubts in recruits minds and the line about the COY awards last year. Wasn’t trying to call you out but wasn’t sure. Frankly, I’m just tired of this fan base acting like the world’s falling apart and now casting doubt on frost.

dude was the most sought after hire this past past year and prolly coulda stayed at his school and built a consistent top 20 progrum.

obviously there’s much to be frustrated about but I fear the impatience of some fans will have a negative impact on this team. Fact of the matter is we’ve overachieved for a few years despite inconsistent recruiting and it’s foolish to think an imbalanced roster with a new staff would result in immediate positive results.

i do agree that these games certainly don’t help recruiting efforts but I have faith frosts ability to connect with youngins will reign supreme

 
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